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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: janetreno on June 25, 2011, 10:30 pm
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Hi all-
I just wanted to offer my knowledge and insight if you have any questions about how the Postal Inspectors operate. I was an intern with the Postal Inspectors for 9 months at an office in a major coastal city that processed very large volumes of mail, domestic and international (their offices were inside the actual Post Office downtown). I do not want to reveal the city but I'm happy to answer just about anything else. Feel free to pick my brain.
And no, I did not go into any law enforcement career.
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Thanks for taking your time to answer our questions! I always appreciate these kind of things!
Ill start with the questions,
1, Howmany percent of the packages get checked?
2, Are there k9 sniffing the conveyerbelt with the packages
3, what do all seized packages with drugs in them have in common?
cheers,
-Mitanox
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Screening does not take place every day of the week by the inspectors, unless they have information that a large shipment is coming through. In that case, they will screen daily for sometimes days at a time. Most of the time I would be sitting at my desk and one of the inspectors would come by and tell me the dogs would be there in a couple of hours (most of these took place in the afternoon) for random screenings. I saw letters and parcels get picked up and presented to the dogs to see what they would alert on. I did not see dogs sniffing a conveyor belt and I don't believe that would be safe given the size of the machines moving the mail. The dogs would also be taken to the carts where the incoming international mail was waiting to be processed to see if any would cause the dogs to alert.
A very small percentage of the packages get checked, but there are some things that will flag your parcel for a closer look. Not everything gets x-rayed either- envelopes almost never do, unless they look unusually thick and appear to be personal rather than business communication. Larger hand-addressed packages are what I saw mostly in the xray. If a dog alerts on a package, that's going to be xrayed as well.
Your last question is harder for me to answer because once the package is alerted on by a dog and xrayed to confirm possible contraband, the inspectors get a warrant and go through a lengthy process of discreetly opening it (documenting it with video or still photos all the way) in such a way that will allow them to repackage it for a controlled delivery, if they decide to make one. I was only present for a few of those so I didn't see a lot of how the packages looked when they were first opened.
However, every several months the drug vault would get full and had to be emptied, and the drugs disposed of. This was called a drug burn because we would caravan up to the local dump in unmarked vans, and bring the drugs inside to the incinerator and throw them inside (had to observe them entering the actual fire). Many times the drugs were brought in their original packaging, so that is when I saw more of the internals. Seized packages tended to have a lot of drugs in them- I didn't see many small packages. There was almost always some masking agent, like big jars of peanut butter, a big teddy bear stuffed with drugs, and a lot of steroid packages that simply broke in transit and leaked all over the box. Any leaking or other staining on the outside of the package is a huge flag.
Triple vacuum sealing your packages is a good idea, but it is only a matter of time before the smell escapes even from that. I tossed many vacuum sealed bags of weed in the incinerator. The less time your package spends in the postal system, the better off you are.
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So how often did domestic mail, specifically regular letters, get inspected?
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"If they decide to do a controlled delivery" If they find contraband what would prompt a controlled delivery and what would not?
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So how often did domestic mail, specifically regular letters, get inspected?
It happened occasionally on domestic packages- I can only think of two times so probably not nearly as often as the international stuff. As for letters, the only time I saw regular letters inspected was if the sender or recipient was already known to the inspectors to be involved in some crime, like child pornography or some type of mail fraud (work from home scams, advance fee scams where one guy is getting hundreds of letters stuffed with cash sent to his house every day, etc.).
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"If they decide to do a controlled delivery" If they find contraband what would prompt a controlled delivery and what would not?
Small, personal amounts of drugs were usually removed and sent to the drug vault, and the letter/package re-sealed and delivered to the recipient with a letter saying that the shipment was illegal and the contraband removed. This was also the case for any steroids. Quantity would prompt a controlled delivery. If you send a pound of cocaine in the mail and it gets intercepted, you're getting a controlled delivery.
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Have you ever seen anything suspected of being child porn delivered, and what medium was it stored on? Have they ever controlled delivered a harddrive they loaded a trojan onto?
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Have you ever seen anything suspected of being child porn delivered, and what medium was it stored on? Have they ever controlled delivered a harddrive they loaded a trojan onto?
There was an inspector in the office that worked child porn full time. His office was stacked with CDs, DVDs, VHS tapes, just about every medium you could think of. I never saw a child porn seizure and I never really wanted to look at the evidence. I've never heard of a child porn controlled delivery but I don't doubt they happened. It just seemed like a very secretive job and the inspector working it didn't talk to me or anyone else very much.
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In respect to a Controlled Delivery:
Should I have any concern that LE/Postal Inspectors could show up at my door with said package, warrant already in hand before any controlled delivery is attempted? Would there be any chance for this type scenario? Is there quantity guidelines that would solicit more aggressive action then a Controlled Delivery? What are the general quantity guidelines LE uses to determine when they want to take specific action? As an example, would say a half-oz of any-given-illicit powder qualify for confiscation with "love letter", controlled delivery attempt, or, as I mentioned, something more aggressive?
OR is it safe to assume that under all circumstances where they are looking to make a bust in this situation, a controlled delivery has to be executed, and the package signed for before any warrant could be served on me or my property.
Specifically, I am hoping I will always have the ability to not accept the package if need be as a last resort thereby preventing any sort of raid or prosecution....
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In respect to a Controlled Delivery:
Should I have any concern that LE/Postal Inspectors could show up at my door with said package, warrant already in hand before any controlled delivery is attempted? Would there be any chance for this type scenario? Is there quantity guidelines that would solicit more aggressive action then a Controlled Delivery? What are the general quantity guidelines LE uses to determine when they want to take specific action? As an example, would say a half-oz of any-given-illicit powder qualify for confiscation with "love letter", controlled delivery attempt, or, as I mentioned, something more aggressive?
OR is it safe to assume that under all circumstances where they are looking to make a bust in this situation, a controlled delivery has to be executed, and the package signed for before any warrant could be served on me or my property.
Specifically, I am hoping I will always have the ability to not accept the package if need be as a last resort thereby preventing any sort of raid or prosecution....
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In respect to a Controlled Delivery:
Should I have any concern that LE/Postal Inspectors could show up at my door with said package, warrant already in hand before any controlled delivery is attempted? Would there be any chance for this type scenario? Is there quantity guidelines that would solicit more aggressive action then a Controlled Delivery? What are the general quantity guidelines LE uses to determine when they want to take specific action? As an example, would say a half-oz of any-given-illicit powder qualify for confiscation with "love letter", controlled delivery attempt, or, as I mentioned, something more aggressive?
OR is it safe to assume that under all circumstances where they are looking to make a bust in this situation, a controlled delivery has to be executed, and the package signed for before any warrant could be served on me or my property.
Specifically, I am hoping I will always have the ability to not accept the package if need be as a last resort thereby preventing any sort of raid or prosecution....
I would be assuming that it was a friend who actually did the purchase and not you as purchasing and having it delivered to your house is a big no-no.
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In respect to a Controlled Delivery:
Should I have any concern that LE/Postal Inspectors could show up at my door with said package, warrant already in hand before any controlled delivery is attempted? Would there be any chance for this type scenario? Is there quantity guidelines that would solicit more aggressive action then a Controlled Delivery? What are the general quantity guidelines LE uses to determine when they want to take specific action? As an example, would say a half-oz of any-given-illicit powder qualify for confiscation with "love letter", controlled delivery attempt, or, as I mentioned, something more aggressive?
OR is it safe to assume that under all circumstances where they are looking to make a bust in this situation, a controlled delivery has to be executed, and the package signed for before any warrant could be served on me or my property.
Specifically, I am hoping I will always have the ability to not accept the package if need be as a last resort thereby preventing any sort of raid or prosecution....
If the postal inspectors are going to do a controlled delivery, they will get a warrant to enter and search your house if you accept delivery. They will also "stake out" your residence a couple of days before, determine where the exits are, and plan the delivery so that all of those exits are covered by undercover police or other inspectors during the delivery. This is to make sure you don't get that pound of china white and immediately pass it through the back door to a courier, or even hand it to the courier right there on the front porch (happens more often than you'd think). Of course, by this point the drugs have been removed and replaced with inert look-a-like substances.
I wasn't aware of any measures beyond controlled deliveries being implemented based solely on quantity. But if you're asking if several eight balls of coke in a package is going to get you more than a letter warning, the answer is yes because that is indicative of trafficking, not personal use.
Another note on personal use amounts- if the inspectors are going after a domestic supplier, they will do controlled deliveries of personal amounts. You may or may not get arrested and charged in this instance- you will be questioned and asked to sign an affidavit stating you bought these drugs for personal use and they were mailed to you by so and so. If you don't cooperate, you will definitely be arrested and charged. They are just trying to collect more evidence against the supplier to hit him/her with a bigger charge.
If you do not accept the package then you won't be busted right then. But what are you going to do, never accept delivery of any packages?
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I think that everybody should go check online for local laws - guideline for police, evidence, what must be required for warrant issue, postal guide (inbound, outband)
All that must be approved and published. Its just matter of patience and research.
Postal inspector can "catch" any shipment, its individual estimation. But to open it, must have a valid reason (dogs,x-ray, etc). If that measure does not show anything, then shipment will be relased.
I have shipment with drugs held in customs for further search. I know that from tracking. Nothing was found by dogs and x-ray and parcel was dispached further wo problems.
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Just wanted to thank you for your time and information, very helpful!
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janetreno,
I have heard a few things mentioning shipping speed as a potential flag.
1) What types of packages were seized most (First Class, Priority, Express, etc.)
2) Are there any recommendations for anonymously sending Express-mail?
3) Are packages with the "Signature Waived" option subject to more frequent searches?
4) Are addresses (or people) watched after being suspected of receiving contraband items?
Thanks in advance.
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Hi all-
I just wanted to offer my knowledge and insight if you have any questions about how the Postal Inspectors operate. I was an intern with the Postal Inspectors for 9 months at an office in a major coastal city that processed very large volumes of mail, domestic and international (their offices were inside the actual Post Office downtown). I do not want to reveal the city but I'm happy to answer just about anything else. Feel free to pick my brain.
And no, I did not go into any law enforcement career.
Well, considering the fact that you're on SR's message board after having been an intern Postal Inspector, you must have some confidence in SR's anonymity. If you wanted to make a purchase or sell an item, in order to remain as anonymous as possible, how would you go about doing it? What are the steps you would take in order to decrease the possibility of you getting caught, both as buyer and seller?
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This is some great information, I recommend that all new sellers read this and ask questions.
To protect yourself as a seller and your customer, good shipping practices are vital.
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Also, During a controlled delivery, must the person who receives the package sign for it?
Or can they leave it in your mailbox, wait, then present you with a warrant?
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No they don't have to sign for it is my understanding.
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janetreno,
I have heard a few things mentioning shipping speed as a potential flag.
1) What types of packages were seized most (First Class, Priority, Express, etc.)
2) Are there any recommendations for anonymously sending Express-mail?
3) Are packages with the "Signature Waived" option subject to more frequent searches?
4) Are addresses (or people) watched after being suspected of receiving contraband items?
Thanks in advance.
1) The intercepts I saw were usually regular first class mail. The premium types of post result in the package spending less time with the post office, which is a good thing.
2) I haven't thought about this, and I'd have had no way of knowing if someone was doing it when I was an intern.
3) No, not that I ever heard. I don't believe that is something that might flag a package.
4) Yes.
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Hi all-
I just wanted to offer my knowledge and insight if you have any questions about how the Postal Inspectors operate. I was an intern with the Postal Inspectors for 9 months at an office in a major coastal city that processed very large volumes of mail, domestic and international (their offices were inside the actual Post Office downtown). I do not want to reveal the city but I'm happy to answer just about anything else. Feel free to pick my brain.
And no, I did not go into any law enforcement career.
Well, considering the fact that you're on SR's message board after having been an intern Postal Inspector, you must have some confidence in SR's anonymity. If you wanted to make a purchase or sell an item, in order to remain as anonymous as possible, how would you go about doing it? What are the steps you would take in order to decrease the possibility of you getting caught, both as buyer and seller?
I think SR's setup is quite safe, relatively speaking. It is certainly safer than dealing with drug dealers in person most of the time. I've made purchases already on SR and each one has worked out well thus far. I don't have mail sent to fake names at my address- that is something the mailman might notice. I only purchase "personal use" amounts to minimize my risk even if I do get a controlled delivery. One thing you can do as a buyer is purchase a shelf company for a few hundred bucks, and then have the drugs sent to your business name at whichever address you use. Then you don't have to give any name at all to a seller and businesses receive all kinds of packages on a regular basis, so that kind of activity won't look so out of place.
Sellers need to be careful what physical evidence, particularly fingerprints, is left behind inside the packages they send out. Nothing leaking outside the packages, no smell of drugs or common masking agents (coffee grounds are a particularly bad idea), and no video of them dropping off the package somewhere. I don't want to give away the best methods for sellers because I like my shit getting through screening without issues. :)
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Also, During a controlled delivery, must the person who receives the package sign for it?
Or can they leave it in your mailbox, wait, then present you with a warrant?
They will not leave it in a mailbox for a controlled delivery, at least not that I ever heard of. They are going to know who you are before the delivery, but if someone else signs for it they will still conduct the bust.
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This is a great thread guys. As soon as we get some mods around here I vote for a sticky
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Motion for sticky: seconded.
Have you ever seen senders/buyers make use of RFID tags with photovoltaic cells to erase an encrypted code if the package is prematurely opened? Are these sorts of things detected easily?
I first read about these tags here: http://g7pz322wcy6jnn4r.onion/opensource/II/smuggle.html under "Interception Detection Technology." I don't know if a lot of people use it here or not... just curious!
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What is your opinion on the PO Box vs Street address for delivery debate? Is one more or less safe then the other?
Also is using a fake name or delivery to abandoned homes a good idea?
Thanks for all your insight, its been extremely beneficial.
Kitty
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Also, During a controlled delivery, must the person who receives the package sign for it?
Or can they leave it in your mailbox, wait, then present you with a warrant?
They will not leave it in a mailbox for a controlled delivery, at least not that I ever heard of. They are going to know who you are before the delivery, but if someone else signs for it they will still conduct the bust.
That's good to know.
My preferred method is having the package sent requiring my signature. I'm usually at work when the mail is delivered, but if I was home, I would not answer the door if it was a delivery.
I then wait until they leave the notice telling me to pick it up from the office. I sit on that for two or three days then go and get it, after I pick it up, I do not drive home but to some where else where I stash the package for a certain amount of time until I think the possibility of a raid has passed.
Do you see any flaws in this? I consider it to be pretty safe.
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Motion for sticky: seconded.
Have you ever seen senders/buyers make use of RFID tags with photovoltaic cells to erase an encrypted code if the package is prematurely opened? Are these sorts of things detected easily?
I first read about these tags here: http://g7pz322wcy6jnn4r.onion/opensource/II/smuggle.html under "Interception Detection Technology." I don't know if a lot of people use it here or not... just curious!
I never saw something that ingenious. I can tell you that such technology would be way ahead of what you'd find in a Postal Inspector field office. They don't have some huge black budget like a secret division of the CIA or Defense Department. If a package with such technology was intercepted though, I'd bet on it being forwarded on and investigated, with the results of the investigation being distributed to inspectors across the country.
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What is your opinion on the PO Box vs Street address for delivery debate? Is one more or less safe then the other?
Also is using a fake name or delivery to abandoned homes a good idea?
Thanks for all your insight, its been extremely beneficial.
Kitty
I don't believe a PO Box is safer than a street address. I would assign equal risk to both. The interceptions usually take place based on evidence collected and observations made long before the package gets to the mailman and usually before the package gets to your local post office. If it is selected for a controlled delivery, that's going to happen whether it's going to a PO Box or a residence. But if it is going to a PO Box, the inspector is going to get a copy of the drivers license of the owner of the PO Box before the controlled delivery takes place and will gather a lot of information about them.
Fake names going to residences is not advised, unless you are going to make one purchase and never receive drugs in the mail again at that address. The risk here is that the mailman is going to notice a pattern of some kind that didn't exist before, that suggests illegal activity, and will report it to an inspector. Getting a package with a different fake name a couple of times a month is going to arouse suspicion.
What do you mean by "abandoned home"? A mailman is going to take notice of a package suddenly showing up for delivery to a home he hasn't delivered anything to in months. There is a good chance he will report this. Now if the home was recently vacated then you have a potential window of safety but I personally would not do this.
Again, I recommend buying a shelf company and then you can have packages sent to "Chief Financial Officer" at ABC, Inc.. You're still depending on the sender not being a dumbass with the packaging, but you won't arouse much, if any suspicion by receiving many parcels of different sizes.
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Also, During a controlled delivery, must the person who receives the package sign for it?
Or can they leave it in your mailbox, wait, then present you with a warrant?
They will not leave it in a mailbox for a controlled delivery, at least not that I ever heard of. They are going to know who you are before the delivery, but if someone else signs for it they will still conduct the bust.
That's good to know.
My preferred method is having the package sent requiring my signature. I'm usually at work when the mail is delivered, but if I was home, I would not answer the door if it was a delivery.
I then wait until they leave the notice telling me to pick it up from the office. I sit on that for two or three days then go and get it, after I pick it up, I do not drive home but to some where else where I stash the package for a certain amount of time until I think the possibility of a raid has passed.
Do you see any flaws in this? I consider it to be pretty safe.
If you're worried about a controlled delivery, I don't understand why you feel safe walking into the post office and signing for the package there. There is no way to avoid getting busted if you attempt to retrieve a package marked for controlled delivery. Besides, even if you somehow pulled it off and were able to drive away with the package, you would open it only to find that it did not contain the drugs you paid for but rather some lookalike substance.
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PO boxes are more secure because you can open them under a fake name with a fake ID and when the package arrives, even if they attempt a CD, you can let it sit for days and days. LE doesn't have the time/money to sit and watch a PO box for weeks at a time to wait for you to pick it up.
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PO boxes are more secure because you can open them under a fake name with a fake ID and when the package arrives, even if they attempt a CD, you can let it sit for days and days. LE doesn't have the time/money to sit and watch a PO box for weeks at a time to wait for you to pick it up.
You need two forms of ID to get a PO Box, one of which must be a photo ID. The other forms can include stuff like your car registration, lease/mortgage paperwork, or something of that sort. The photo ID is easy to fake. Matching a fake photo ID to the other required forms is a bit trickier, but can still be done with decent forgery skills. However, at this point you've committed mail fraud and this is going to make your life tremendously more difficult if you do get a controlled delivery to your PO Box because you will be facing more than just possible drug charges. Remember, it is entirely possible you won't even be arrested/charged for receiving a personal amount of drugs in the mail. This chance evaporates if it becomes apparent you rented a PO Box with fake ID to accept that package because now you look like a drug trafficker and not a guy who just likes to toke in the evenings.
The first thing the inspector does if a package destined for a PO Box is intercepted is get a hold of the identification documents used to rent the box. If they all come up as fake, don't think for a moment the inspector is just going to let it go. You're fucked if you keep going in to retrieve mail after this happens, and you aren't going to know when it happens.
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How about ordering to a vacant house, or one where the mailbox is checked rarely?..
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PO boxes are more secure because you can open them under a fake name with a fake ID and when the package arrives, even if they attempt a CD, you can let it sit for days and days. LE doesn't have the time/money to sit and watch a PO box for weeks at a time to wait for you to pick it up.
But doesn't it attract infinitely more attention if you have a PO box where the only thing that ever gets stuck in them are stinky packages addressed to a fake person from fake addresses in cali?
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In the case of receiving a delivery with a small quantity of pills (10), would you say it is safer to order it from a domestic seller or an international seller?
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Hey janetreno, interesting thread - thanks for taking the time.
In your experience, what kind of treatment do packages get as evidence? Are they put through any routine operations regardless of the size or kind of contraband intercepted? I.e., photographing, cataloging of any kind, fingerprinting, etc... I'd assume that the kilo of heroin gets a more thorough treatment than the little bag of ecstasy, but how much more thorough?
Are you aware of any information-sharing agreements outside of the standard drug-enforcement stuff? Do postal inspectors talk to each other internationally in regular circumstances?
Have you ever followed any cases to the end, as in, seen anyone busted for sending sketchy things through the mail?
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How about ordering to a vacant house, or one where the mailbox is checked rarely?..
Very recently vacant is OK. Vacant for months is not.
Sent to someone else's mailbox, even if checked "rarely". . .I would not risk that. Unless of course, this mailbox is owned by someone who has agreed to take the risk of accepting contraband for you. :)
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In the case of receiving a delivery with a small quantity of pills (10), would you say it is safer to order it from a domestic seller or an international seller?
Domestic, all the way. Almost a zero chance of getting caught so long as the sender doesn't make the envelope sound and feel like it is full of pills.
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Hey janetreno, interesting thread - thanks for taking the time.
In your experience, what kind of treatment do packages get as evidence? Are they put through any routine operations regardless of the size or kind of contraband intercepted? I.e., photographing, cataloging of any kind, fingerprinting, etc... I'd assume that the kilo of heroin gets a more thorough treatment than the little bag of ecstasy, but how much more thorough?
Are you aware of any information-sharing agreements outside of the standard drug-enforcement stuff? Do postal inspectors talk to each other internationally in regular circumstances?
Have you ever followed any cases to the end, as in, seen anyone busted for sending sketchy things through the mail?
If a package suspected of containing drugs is intercepted, then it is weighed, photographed, and dusted for prints immediately. Then, the inspectors attempt to open the package in such a way that will allow them to reseal it unbeknown to the recipient. This process is photographed and/or recorded on video, as is the field test for narcotics once the contents are exposed. Fingerprints are taken from the inside as well at that point. Look/feel-alike substances are then placed back into the package and it is resealed in such a way that most of you could never tell it was opened. Controlled delivery commences from there. This only takes place with packages that contain large amounts of contraband- I never saw it done to a letter with a few pills inside.
Small amounts of contraband usually result in a love letter telling you that you received mail with illegal substances inside and that they were removed. If the inspectors are trying to bust your source, they may pay you a visit even on personal amounts but if you cooperate you MAY escape criminal charges. A kilo of anything and you are fucked hard.
There is a good deal of international cooperation, but it depends heavily on the country of origin (where the package was sent from). I've never been taken on a controlled delivery so I can't say I've ever seen one go down in person. I have seen the busted people in court though, and witnessed testimony from the inspectors during the trial.
Postal Inspectors are very intelligent, educated, and highly compensated law enforcement officers. This isn't your fat, unshaven mailman who got a promotion. Do not underestimate them.
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Thank you very much for the service you are providing here. :D
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Sent to someone else's mailbox, even if checked "rarely". . .I would not risk that. Unless of course, this mailbox is owned by someone who has agreed to take the risk of accepting contraband for you. :)
TY :-)
I understand bulk drug traffickers order packages to people they know... sounds plausible, if they don't know they gonna get it, no way to accuse them of anything... lol
BTW, how about sending to someone else's box, but asking from sender to alert you when it's supposed to be delivered using tracking, then the chances to be caught should be reduced...
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Does the general delivery trick still work?
I send to
Leeroy Jenkins
General Delivery
Los Angeles California
And then you just go to the counter, show your fake ID and walk away with it. This is how homeless people usually get cheques and IDs with no address
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PO boxes are more secure because you can open them under a fake name with a fake ID and when the package arrives, even if they attempt a CD, you can let it sit for days and days. LE doesn't have the time/money to sit and watch a PO box for weeks at a time to wait for you to pick it up.
But doesn't it attract infinitely more attention if you have a PO box where the only thing that ever gets stuck in them are stinky packages addressed to a fake person from fake addresses in cali?
If your packages are stinky, you're doing it all wrong. If you're using an out-of-state ID to open a PO, you're doing it all wrong. If you're using a PO box from the USPS Post Office, you're doing it all wrong.
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Does the general delivery trick still work?
I send to
Leeroy Jenkins
General Delivery
Los Angeles California
And then you just go to the counter, show your fake ID and walk away with it. This is how homeless people usually get cheques and IDs with no address
It isn't a trick. It is a real service, and yes, it works as intended, for people who do not have a permanent address. Of course, you're going to be on video and you'll be signing for the package. If the inspectors have already determined it is contraband, you're fucked.
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you will be questioned and asked to sign an affidavit stating you bought these drugs for personal use and they were mailed to you by so and so. If you don't cooperate, you will definitely be arrested and charged. They are just trying to collect more evidence against the supplier to hit him/her with a bigger charge.
This is the worst advice I've ever read.
Never sign anything the police give you especially a confession!! This is what lawyers are for. Don't hand the police an easy conviction they won't go easy on you. No matter what they say during interrogation about signing a piece of paper being a formality or claiming you will get off easily do not believe them. Get a lawyer and I bet the whole affidavit thing disappears and you will walk for personal amounts.
Why else would they need you to sign something? Because they have no evidence on you and need a confession.
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you will be questioned and asked to sign an affidavit stating you bought these drugs for personal use and they were mailed to you by so and so. If you don't cooperate, you will definitely be arrested and charged. They are just trying to collect more evidence against the supplier to hit him/her with a bigger charge.
This is the worst advice I've ever read.
Never sign anything the police give you especially a confession!! This is what lawyers are for. Don't hand the police an easy conviction they won't go easy on you. No matter what they say during interrogation about signing a piece of paper being a formality or claiming you will get off easily do not believe them. Get a lawyer and I bet the whole affidavit thing disappears and you will walk for personal amounts.
Why else would they need you to sign something? Because they have no evidence on you and need a confession.
I didn't give any advice. I'm telling you what I know about controlled deliveries of personal amounts. They often happen because LEO is trying to bust a domestic source. If you want to risk the arrest and criminal charge, I don't give a fuck. I didn't say that cooperating would get you off the hook. I said not cooperating will definitely get you arrested. Use your best judgment in the circumstance if it arises.
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If your packages are stinky, you're doing it all wrong. If you're using an out-of-state ID to open a PO, you're doing it all wrong. If you're using a PO box from the USPS Post Office, you're doing it all wrong.
Where are you getting your PO Box? You mean like a Mailbox Etc or something?
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If your packages are stinky, you're doing it all wrong. If you're using an out-of-state ID to open a PO, you're doing it all wrong. If you're using a PO box from the USPS Post Office, you're doing it all wrong.
Care to enlighten us?
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How does a controlled delivery work at a PO box? There going to wait around 24/7 for you to show up?
If they leave a slip to go to the counter and claim a package, who's going to do that if they know its contraband.
What if you refuse to claim the package or sign anything, can they still bust you?
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How does a controlled delivery work at a PO box? There going to wait around 24/7 for you to show up?
If they leave a slip to go to the counter and claim a package, who's going to do that if they know its contraband.
What if you refuse to claim the package or sign anything, can they still bust you?
What are you having sent to the PO Box? A kilo of coke? With that sort of volume, they will work with the PO Box vendor in order to arrest you, and you can expect local narcotics police officers to participate in the bust. A personal amount is almost always going to be removed and then the envelope/parcel forwarded on to you with a love letter.
If you do not sign for or claim the package then you won't be charged or arrested, although you may be questioned as to why a kilo of fishscale showed up at your address. And now you're on a radar screen you don't want to be on.
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you will be questioned and asked to sign an affidavit stating you bought these drugs for personal use and they were mailed to you by so and so. If you don't cooperate, you will definitely be arrested and charged. They are just trying to collect more evidence against the supplier to hit him/her with a bigger charge.
This is the worst advice I've ever read.
Never sign anything the police give you especially a confession!! This is what lawyers are for. Don't hand the police an easy conviction they won't go easy on you. No matter what they say during interrogation about signing a piece of paper being a formality or claiming you will get off easily do not believe them. Get a lawyer and I bet the whole affidavit thing disappears and you will walk for personal amounts.
Why else would they need you to sign something? Because they have no evidence on you and need a confession.
I didn't give any advice. I'm telling you what I know about controlled deliveries of personal amounts. They often happen because LEO is trying to bust a domestic source. If you want to risk the arrest and criminal charge, I don't give a fuck. I didn't say that cooperating would get you off the hook. I said not cooperating will definitely get you arrested. Use your best judgment in the circumstance if it arises.
not cooperating might get you arrested,but you will be let off without charge in a few days if you keep your gob shut...
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If your packages are stinky, you're doing it all wrong. If you're using an out-of-state ID to open a PO, you're doing it all wrong. If you're using a PO box from the USPS Post Office, you're doing it all wrong.
Where are you getting your PO Box? You mean like a Mailbox Etc or something?
In every major city there are a lot of smaller, mom&pop type shipping stores that often also have PO boxes available. They have the benefit of less security and also you get a real street address that just looks like an apartment, not obviously a PO box.
How does a controlled delivery work at a PO box? There going to wait around 24/7 for you to show up?
If they leave a slip to go to the counter and claim a package, who's going to do that if they know its contraband.
What if you refuse to claim the package or sign anything, can they still bust you?
Basically they have to sit and wait for you to pick it up 24/7. Which is why you should wait a few days before going to pick up a package, especially if its a larger order.
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If your packages are stinky, you're doing it all wrong. If you're using an out-of-state ID to open a PO, you're doing it all wrong. If you're using a PO box from the USPS Post Office, you're doing it all wrong.
Where are you getting your PO Box? You mean like a Mailbox Etc or something?
In every major city there are a lot of smaller, mom&pop type shipping stores that often also have PO boxes available. They have the benefit of less security and also you get a real street address that just looks like an apartment, not obviously a PO box.
How does a controlled delivery work at a PO box? There going to wait around 24/7 for you to show up?
If they leave a slip to go to the counter and claim a package, who's going to do that if they know its contraband.
What if you refuse to claim the package or sign anything, can they still bust you?
Basically they have to sit and wait for you to pick it up 24/7. Which is why you should wait a few days before going to pick up a package, especially if its a larger order.
I think g4bb3r's got a point. How practical is it to sting a PO box set up with a fake ID? I could just sent a bum in there to grab it and then watch from a distance..
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Let's say you setup a PO Box and use two forms of fake ID to establish it.
A kilo of cocaine is intercepted entering the country, destined for your PO Box, addressed to the name on the fake ID. This is a relatively large amount of cocaine, and indicates the recipient is at least a minor trafficker with good connections. As I mentioned previously, the inspectors will immediately pull records on the PO Box to see who owns it. Since your fake ID has your picture on it, they now know at least what you, or the person who will pick up the package, looks like.
The inspectors will arrange for controlled delivery and contact local narcotics LEOs to assist. They will stakeout the location of the PO Box and wait for the package to be picked up. And there you go. If a bum picks up the package for you, the LEOs watching will see that it isn't the person who setup the PO Box, and so they'll wait to see the hand-off.
This will probably never happen with a personal amount, but if you don't think the Postal Inspectors or local narcotics won't do this to nab a suspected drug trafficker moving large amounts of drugs into the country, you're mistaken.
Domestic to domestic is much, much safer.
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I don't think anyone is saying that domestic isn't safer, we're just discussing international shipments.
And you should alter your picture that you put on your fake so that it isn't automatically matched via facial recognition software.
And again, if you're shipping a key to a PO box in one shipment, you're doing it all wrong.
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Would a delivery to "current resident" be advisable? Especially if the package is made to look like standard business mail?
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Hi JR
I posted in another thread about a lad I knew who sent hanguns and ammo from the US to UK inside radio opaque ice hockey boots. This was some years ago and spotting this thread prompts me to ask;
1 How has x ray tech improved over the last 10 years?
2 How do you proceed when you randomly x ray an opaque package? Would you open my Grandma's metal tin of birthday biscuits just on the off
chance?
Ta.
Tommy
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janetrino, thanks for making this thread. Very much! I got quite a few questions.
What exactly happens as far as trying to find the sender of drug mail?
Do they go as far as trying to get DNA off the package if it contains a large enough amount of drugs?
Is it any different for domestic vs international mail?
Do they try to find the location it was mailed from? If so, what steps are taken?
Can they figure out what mail collection box it was dropped off in?
Can Priority or Express envelopes or boxes be traced to where they were sold?
Are stamps trackable in any way?
Can inspectors cross reference the address of a sender and/or receiver and see how many packages or other mail they've gotten to that address in the past? If so, do they ever use this information for anything?
Do packages generally get a closer look by inspectors than envelopes? Does it matter?
Does mail from certain countries get a closer look by customs and postal inspectors?
Does mail from certain states within the USA get a closer look? Say California for weed, Mexico-border states for cocaine, etc?
How often do inspectors get tips about packages? With tip offs, how does it usually happen? Tell us about that please.
What determines if they think something is small enough to merit "personal amounts" and not perform a CD?
How often was LSD found compared to other drugs in the mail you saw? How was it found?
What was the most ridiculous packaging of drugs you ever saw? :P
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As I know, postal inspectors does not preform any forensic activity.
DNA is expensive process and they must have an sample (suspect) for compare those two to indetify sender.
If sender is from another country, LE have no juridiction to prosecute, but they can inform international agency if needed.
Anyway, dna is unique process and applayed only in some first class cases (homicide, kidnapping etc.)
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In the case of receiving a delivery with a small quantity of pills (10), would you say it is safer to order it from a domestic seller or an international seller?
Domestic, all the way. Almost a zero chance of getting caught so long as the sender doesn't make the envelope sound and feel like it is full of pills.
Thanks for all the great advice... you're the man. So I hear you that domestic is the way to go but there seems to be an ecstasy drought with US sellers. Given the small quantity, is it still minimal risk if ordering from an international seller or does going through customs greatly increase the risk of the product being found? Thanks.
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Let's say you setup a PO Box and use two forms of fake ID to establish it.
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The inspectors will arrange for controlled delivery and contact local narcotics LEOs to assist. They will stakeout the location of the PO Box and wait for the package to be picked up. And there you go. If a bum picks up the package for you, the LEOs watching will see that it isn't the person who setup the PO Box, and so they'll wait to see the hand-off. ...
So, basically, what you're saying, there's no way...
I can see that. Setting surveillance of 2 detectives a day for 1-2 weeks (the time the post keeps big packages in the office - p.b's here are small) at the post office is peanuts (1 month man labor) compared to the gravity of the trafficking offense...
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Hi JR
I posted in another thread about a lad I knew who sent hanguns and ammo from the US to UK inside radio opaque ice hockey boots. This was some years ago and spotting this thread prompts me to ask;
1 How has x ray tech improved over the last 10 years?
2 How do you proceed when you randomly x ray an opaque package? Would you open my Grandma's metal tin of birthday biscuits just on the off
chance?
Ta.
Tommy
The x-ray machines are similar to what you see at airports. They have roughly the same capabilities, with different substances showing up as different colors. I never saw the inspectors pull out a package containing a metal tin of cookies, but I did see some false alarms with shipments of other food items and some toiletry items.
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I saw that earlier in the thread that somebody else can sign for your mail. I was under the impression that you and only you should be able to sign for your controlled delivery. I've heard stories of LE coming to the door and asking if you are so and so, and then saying that this particular person needs to sign for the package. I, however, have also read stories about somebody's sister or whoever signed for a package when the recipient wasn't home and subsequently got the house raided.
My question is, can somebody else LEGALLY sign for your mail? Or is it just a small technicality that postal carriers routinely break for the convenience of not having to redeliver?
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How long does the post office save the tapes from their surveillance cams?
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It has been bugging me lately, that sellers are encouraging each other to get a 'comfirmed delivery' of their package...
I've also had the dubious pleasure of having my mailman start to bring packages to other people to my door, asking if I know the cat...I've got my story ready, no sweat...but doesn't a 'confirmed delivery' make the postmen more inclined to pay attention...and if there is a confirmed delivery, and nobody's home--and it's a house that is recently vacant--doesn't that make them more inclined to be curious?
Thankyou!
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And you should alter your picture that you put on your fake so that it isn't automatically matched via facial recognition software.
Good point. It may even be worth the time to see which points of the face are used for recognition. Here is an excerpt from HowStuffWorks:
"Each human face has approximately 80 nodal points. Some of these measured by the software are:
* Distance between the eyes
* Width of the nose
* Depth of the eye sockets
* The shape of the cheekbones
* The length of the jaw line
These nodal points are measured creating a numerical code, called a faceprint, representing the face in the database."
So essentially, when you make a Fake ID, open up your photo in Photoshop (or equivalent) and modify the: Distance between the eyes, Width of the nose, Depth of the eye sockets, The shape of the cheekbones, and The length of the jaw line, as to ensure that your face does not pop up in a database.
I have heard rumors that spraying non-stick cooking oil onto an ID will distort the scanned image (also really useful if it works).
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If a normal yellow bubble envelope has hand written labels but isn't suspicious in any other way (i.e. real return address) what are the chances it will be further examined? Also, is there a certain amount of red flags needed to pull a package? Is pulling too many packages frowned upon?
Thanks for your time!
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I saw that earlier in the thread that somebody else can sign for your mail. I was under the impression that you and only you should be able to sign for your controlled delivery. I've heard stories of LE coming to the door and asking if you are so and so, and then saying that this particular person needs to sign for the package. I, however, have also read stories about somebody's sister or whoever signed for a package when the recipient wasn't home and subsequently got the house raided.
My question is, can somebody else LEGALLY sign for your mail? Or is it just a small technicality that postal carriers routinely break for the convenience of not having to redeliver?
My experience was that the inspectors waited until they knew the person they wanted was home before they did a controlled delivery. There was usually a healthy amount of surveillance done ahead of time, because the deliveries I was told about involved suspected drug traffickers who would quickly (sometimes within minutes) hand the package off to a courier. If they were to do a controlled delivery and your sister opened the door and signed for the package, you could not be charged with accepting or possessing the contraband.
These are the same inspectors who will follow a mailman around for an entire day or week on a tip, to see if he is opening xmas cards and stealing the contents. So no one should feel safe based on a misconception that their particular package from a Silk Road seller is not important enough, for whatever reason, for the federal government to do something about it. You don't know if that sender's return address has been flagged by the inspection service in some other investigation, of which you are now potentially a part.
To answer your last question directly, there are different types of signature confirmations a sender can request. The most commonly used one (and cheapest) requires that someone at the address, not necessarily the person who the package is addressed to, signs for the package. A controlled delivery would normally be done with the type of confirmation that requires the actual recipient to sign for the package.
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How long does the post office save the tapes from their surveillance cams?
Depends on the post office. The more modern ones, and especially the ones in sensitive areas and large cities have virtually unlimited storage now.
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If a normal yellow bubble envelope has hand written labels but isn't suspicious in any other way (i.e. real return address) what are the chances it will be further examined? Also, is there a certain amount of red flags needed to pull a package? Is pulling too many packages frowned upon?
Thanks for your time!
The chances of a package like that being examined further are close to zero. If it is bulky, especially if it looks like it contains a pill bottle, then it may get picked up for a closer look. Smells or leaks will certainly get you. There is not a fixed number of red flags that have to be met before a package is pulled out for x-ray- it is up to the agent. The inspectors only have a limited time to look for drugs in the mail because they have so many other ongoing investigations- so when they do it, they try to be efficient by targeting the items most likely to turn up contraband.
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The chances of a package like that being examined further are close to zero. If it is bulky, especially if it looks like it contains a pill bottle, then it may get picked up for a closer look. Smells or leaks will certainly get you. There is not a fixed number of red flags that have to be met before a package is pulled out for x-ray- it is up to the agent. The inspectors only have a limited time to look for drugs in the mail because they have so many other ongoing investigations- so when they do it, they try to be efficient by targeting the items most likely to turn up contraband.
Thanks a lot! Yay for post #69 janetreno! Glad it was my question.
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How does tracking work? Can I walk into a post office and grab a stack of tracking slips for later use, or do they have to be scanned there and then? Is it possible to get a stack of boxes, tracking slips and stamps, go to the secret hideout, weigh and assemble the package, and then blue box drop ship as long as enough postage is there to cover it? if scanning the tracking slips has to be done at the counter then sellers better have a bag of disguises and some balls of depleted uranium (testicles, not bomb making materials).
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Do they have certain limits for different substances that decide a love letter or a controlled delivery? Like 2oz of weed, 8ball of coke, 20 ex tabs, ect. I guess what Im asking is, is there like a safe amount of each substance you could order and feel pretty confident that the worst case would be a love letter? Is there a difference in international and domestic packages on this? Also, thanks so much for all this great info. Definitely should be stickied.
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How does tracking work? Can I walk into a post office and grab a stack of tracking slips for later use, or do they have to be scanned there and then? Is it possible to get a stack of boxes, tracking slips and stamps, go to the secret hideout, weigh and assemble the package, and then blue box drop ship as long as enough postage is there to cover it? if scanning the tracking slips has to be done at the counter then sellers better have a bag of disguises and some balls of depleted uranium (testicles, not bomb making materials).
Well, you can only put packages of a certain size inside a blue box. I believe the limit is one pound.
I don't know about the tracking slips- I never worked the front counter. :P
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Do they have certain limits for different substances that decide a love letter or a controlled delivery? Like 2oz of weed, 8ball of coke, 20 ex tabs, ect. I guess what Im asking is, is there like a safe amount of each substance you could order and feel pretty confident that the worst case would be a love letter? Is there a difference in international and domestic packages on this? Also, thanks so much for all this great info. Definitely should be stickied.
There are no pre-defined or set limits. There are no safe amounts. The reason being, as I've mentioned before in this thread, you never know if the sender is the target of an existing investigation. If they are, even your personal eight ball of coke could very likely get you a visit from an inspector and local narcotics police officer. That's the worst case. Obviously this isn't as big a problem with international shipments of personal amounts, but those shipments also undergo more scrutiny than domestic mail in the first place.
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This is a great thread and firstly I'd like to thank JanetReno for hosting it and thank everyone for asking great questions.
Janet, you mentioned they dust for prints inside and outside of the package. Do you know if there are certain types of boxes or packaging that they cannot get prints from? Can they pull prints from a plain cardboard box? Can they pull prints from that brown wrapping paper that's used to mail packages?
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JanetReno,
How sophisticated are the xray machines? Can they be defeated by boxing up the contents with lead plates, or wrapping it up with one of those lead jackets you wear at the dentists? If they can be fooled that way, would the inspectors still be suspicious and request a warrant?
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This is a great thread and firstly I'd like to thank JanetReno for hosting it and thank everyone for asking great questions.
Janet, you mentioned they dust for prints inside and outside of the package. Do you know if there are certain types of boxes or packaging that they cannot get prints from? Can they pull prints from a plain cardboard box? Can they pull prints from that brown wrapping paper that's used to mail packages?
They can pull prints from most surfaces. I don't think I ever saw any packaging that didn't reveal some prints on the outside. The important prints however, are on the inside of the package. Wear gloves and use alcohol wipes to wipe down each "layer" of packaging inside the box. So if you triple vacuum seal, wipe each of the three layers of vacuum packaging down to ensure no prints. I did see packages opened which contained no usable prints or partial prints on the inside, but these were few and far between. Most people just didn't give a shit I guess. You should.
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JanetReno,
How sophisticated are the xray machines? Can they be defeated by boxing up the contents with lead plates, or wrapping it up with one of those lead jackets you wear at the dentists? If they can be fooled that way, would the inspectors still be suspicious and request a warrant?
In the big post office locations, the ones in major cities which are hubs for international mail, they have x-ray comparable to what you see at the airport if you get a chance to steal a look over a TSA agent's shoulder. Different types of materials show up as different colors.
They probably won't x-ray a package unless there is something about it that raises suspicion. If they do x-ray it and find you have placed lead plates around the contents, they are going to open it, not only because it suggests there is something illegal in the package but also because this tactic might be used by someone trying to smuggle fissile material into the country via the mail.
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JanetReno,
How sophisticated are the xray machines? Can they be defeated by boxing up the contents with lead plates, or wrapping it up with one of those lead jackets you wear at the dentists? If they can be fooled that way, would the inspectors still be suspicious and request a warrant?
In the big post office locations, the ones in major cities which are hubs for international mail, they have x-ray comparable to what you see at the airport if you get a chance to steal a look over a TSA agent's shoulder. Different types of materials show up as different colors.
They probably won't x-ray a package unless there is something about it that raises suspicion. If they do x-ray it and find you have placed lead plates around the contents, they are going to open it, not only because it suggests there is something illegal in the package but also because this tactic might be used by someone trying to smuggle fissile material into the country via the mail.
Have you any experience with anyhting other than drugs? What have you seen smuggled other than drugs, and how did it look, and how was it spotted and detected (anything unusual about those, like say, big packages)?
Thanks for making us wiser!
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BlueBox limit is very strict 13 Oz
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Thanks Janet Reno.
Two more questions...does USPS xray all international packages, and can ice hockey skates really conceal things from the xray?
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great thread janet! thanks for the info!
quick question, someone asked "4) Are addresses (or people) watched after being suspected of receiving contraband items?"
you said yes. once you are under the radar do they just keep watching you forever?
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Just to echo what everyone else is saying; great thread! I had assumed that using a false name and real address was foolproof, but this thread has really opened my eyes!
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I don't have mail sent to fake names at my address- that is something the mailman might notice.
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Thanks Janet Reno.
Two more questions...does USPS xray all international packages, and can ice hockey skates really conceal things from the xray?
No, they do not x-ray all packages coming in from other countries.
I never saw ice hockey skates used to conceal anything, so I assume they don't work for that purpose.
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great thread janet! thanks for the info!
quick question, someone asked "4) Are addresses (or people) watched after being suspected of receiving contraband items?"
you said yes. once you are under the radar do they just keep watching you forever?
There is not a person assigned to watching your address or anything like that. But international shipments to your address might be scrutinized closer and more often. It depends on what was found in the first seizure. If it was a personal amount of prescription drugs then you won't be flagged the same as someone who received a pound of hashish.
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Forgive me if this has already been asked/answered, but if you're receiving contraband concealed in a letter envelope, not requiring a signature, is there any practical way to prove that you had prior knowledge? All discussion of controlled deliveries that I've seen has involved provisional warrants contingent on the recipient signing for the package. My instinct is to think that they wouldn't bother with the controlled delivery, but you can certainly fit amounts of drugs that are well outside of the realm of personal use within a letter envelope.
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Forgive me if this has already been asked/answered, but if you're receiving contraband concealed in a letter envelope, not requiring a signature, is there any practical way to prove that you had prior knowledge? All discussion of controlled deliveries that I've seen has involved provisional warrants contingent on the recipient signing for the package. My instinct is to think that they wouldn't bother with the controlled delivery, but you can certainly fit amounts of drugs that are well outside of the realm of personal use within a letter envelope.
Based on what I've read in this thread thus far, it seems like they need you to sign for it in a controlled delivery. So if someone shows up at your door claiming to be the mail man with a letter you have to sign for, just refuse to sign for it. From what I've read, if you don't sign for it, you're out the money and drugs, and you might have your mail scrutinized a bit more heavily, but more importantly they can't arrest you if you refuse to accept delivery. Of course, I'm sure the expert can correct me if I'm wrong, this is just what I've gleaned from this thread and a couple years previous experience.
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WTF, I thought I was paranoid about this shit BEFORE, good LORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD. Basically, if you turn left, "you're fucked" or right, "you're fucked" in JanetReno's words.
Fun.
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First I will echo all the thank yous for sharing your knowledge...knowledge is power!!
I know from your introduction that your previous postal experience was in a largish city serving as a major international hub, so I understand your thoughts on my questions will be educated guesses, and that's cool; when you get right down to it, any answer anyone could give would be subjective, since the actions of any given inspector are a direct result of any number of factors, his or her own mood on a particular day being a large, if not the largest, of these factors, I suspect. Whatever insight you can provide is greatly appreciated.
Let's say our subject lives in a rural area with a zip code population of <12,200 and the nearest post office is located in a town of <5200, and this subject runs a well established (5+ years) internet storefront, run entirely from home. If it matters, this home-base is situated midway (about 50 miles on either side) between what would be probably defined as medium-sized cities. The business is completely legit across the board, and has a business name, as opposed to simply using the subject's name as the seller. By no means is the subject getting rich or even paying the bills with this business, but does well enough to generate a good deal of packages, both incoming and outgoing. Although the volume was previously much greater, our subject now averages about 2 in and 2 out per week, though at times there may be as many as 10 in and 10 out, and other times there may be no packages at all. Additionally, our subject does the majority of personal household shopping online, so a few additional parcels per month would be thrown in. To put it another way, the subject's mail-person knows the names of the subject's dogs, and gives them dog biscuits daily, but remember, this is a rural area, so this kind of relationship is not out of the norm for the area, but the subject believes this degree of familiarity is due to the frequent face-to-face contact often necessary when delivering packages as opposed to regular letter-mail.
Using this scenario, I was wondering the following:
1) When the subject began the internet business 5+ years ago, how likely is it that the home address was "flagged" as suspicious when suddenly there were numerous packages in and out when previously there were almost none? If you believe it likely that the address was more closely scrutinized from the outset, can you explain the degree of scrutiny likely employed, how long any extra attention may have lasted, and what, if any, formalities are involved in dropping an address off the "radar" if it is determined that no illegal activity has occurred? Would the inspectors in a scenario such as this keep any suspicions "in house" until more concrete evidence presented itself, or would LE be notified from the get go?
2) Remembering the subject's business has a "name" like Amazon or Wal-Mart (not that the subject's actual name is purposely concealed, its just rarely used in the business transactions), assume that the subject or a member of the household would like to make a SR purchase, probably something smallish at first, perhaps not so small later on. Under this assumption, do you stand by your advice of setting up a "shelf" company, or would a second "business" at this address draw more scrutiny than not doing this? What about simply using the name of the already established business, assuming it has fallen off the "radar" as in the above scenario?
3) When a controlled delivery is attempted, would it be typical to use the regular mail-carrier to make the delivery, or would a substitute be used? If the regular carrier is used, can he or she refuse, based on the potential danger posed by such a delivery, without fear of repercussion? Would he or she even be aware of the nature of the delivery?
4) Does it raise any flags with the inspectors if one regularly receives packages, legit or not, from the same business, say like once or twice monthly, every month? In other words, do frequent packages from the same business warrant closer scrutiny, absent anything else suspicious?
5) How many inspectors per post office does the USPS employ? Does every post office even have a full time inspector, and if not would a post office the size described in the introduction above likely have one? Assuming a post office did not have a full time inspector, what, if any, actions are taken if a suspicious package comes through?
6) There are certain well known OTC meds that, while not banned outright, are considered to be "precursors" with possession amounts per individual very limited. Let's say a case of these "for individual sale only" boxes hypothetically fell off a CVS truck and was picked up by some guy, who thought his friend across the country would really like to have these and who decides to mail them to said friend. For good reason, or none at all, the inspectors decide to open the package. How would the inspectors proceed? It doesn't seem that a controlled delivery, such as you describe, would be feasible as there would be no way at all to reseal the individual packages once opened. Would they be delivered intact, with the intent of setting up surveillance on the recipient to see what happens with the product? Or would they just seize the package?
Well, I don't think I could possibly think of another question. I look forward to your answers.
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Which method is preferred for ordering a big quantity, ordering to a vacant apartment (and picking the package ticket from the mailbox at night, to pick from the PO), or ordering to a POB opened using a fake id?
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Which method is preferred for ordering a big quantity, ordering to a vacant apartment (and picking the package ticket from the mailbox at night, to pick from the PO), or ordering to a POB opened using a fake id?
This was answered a few pages back, and the short answer was that both those options suck. The people out delivering know their routes, and they'll think something is up if an apartment or home that hasn't got any mail in months suddenly gets packages on a regular basis. Also, most post offices, at least around here, require ID when you pick up a package. Getting a PO box would mean that a) you're on CCTV every time you pick up something illegal, and b) you've added additional crimes to your list if you do get caught, because now you're in possession of a forged instrument and most likely can be dinged for some variety of fraud as well.
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option 1 seems the best so far... you aren't linked to it until it's safely in the POB.
you can even try to get the box without showing id first, which will make it even not totally linked to you when you pick it.
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WTF, I thought I was paranoid about this shit BEFORE, good LORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD. Basically, if you turn left, "you're fucked" or right, "you're fucked" in JanetReno's words.
Fun.
I'm a frequent buyer on SR myself, as a matter of fact. Don't be too paranoid. ;)
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I second nominating this as a sticky thread. It's been read almost 4000 times already, and I think it's worthy of reading by everyone using SR. Thanks again for the thread, JanetReno!
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Can using your real name and shipping to your home address be safe? Say you're ordering a few grams of hash or mushrooms. Domestically.
Thanks for this thread! :)
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I don't have mail sent to fake names at my address- that is something the mailman might notice. I
I don't believe a PO Box is safer than a street address. I would assign equal risk to both.
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Fake names going to residences is not advised. The risk here is that the mailman is going to notice a pattern of some kind that didn't exist before, that suggests illegal activity, and will report it to an inspector.
Fake Name Thread
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=615.0;topicseen
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So question, I got a shipment from a seller on here from overseas. It was in a pretty well disguised envelope to my eyes, vacuum sealed twice, but it was opened...still delivered with the product...but it was opened. I don't know what could have happened. I don't know if it's related but the package I got before I could have sworn a guy drove by exactly as I picked up a package, I didn't really look because it kind of freaked me out. But have you ever heard of anything happening like that? Opening the letter but still delivering it?
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So question, I got a shipment from a seller on here from overseas. It was in a pretty well disguised envelope to my eyes, vacuum sealed twice, but it was opened...still delivered with the product...but it was opened. I don't know what could have happened. I don't know if it's related but the package I got before I could have sworn a guy drove by exactly as I picked up a package, I didn't really look because it kind of freaked me out. But have you ever heard of anything happening like that? Opening the letter but still delivering it?
They probably thought: "Ahhh nice weed, let this poor guy get stoned." :)
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inspector/po employee might have hoped to find cash. i still wonder if the box is flagged though
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How long does it take for a love letter to go out from the time of interception? Don't know if you know this, but it could be helpful information. Thanks in advance.
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Recently there has been some discussion on the priority mailers you pick up at the post office and postage. See:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=1474.0
and
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=1528.0
So a couple of questions on the subject.
If you pick up a priority mailer, and also purchase a priority stamp, then put the package in a random blue box, will you still get Priority service?
If you use a priority mailer and regular stamps, is this likely to attract attention to the package?
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Can using your real name and shipping to your home address be safe? Say you're ordering a few grams of hash or mushrooms. Domestically.
Thanks for this thread! :)
It's not terribly dangerous if the seller is smart and uses proper packaging.
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So question, I got a shipment from a seller on here from overseas. It was in a pretty well disguised envelope to my eyes, vacuum sealed twice, but it was opened...still delivered with the product...but it was opened. I don't know what could have happened. I don't know if it's related but the package I got before I could have sworn a guy drove by exactly as I picked up a package, I didn't really look because it kind of freaked me out. But have you ever heard of anything happening like that? Opening the letter but still delivering it?
If they open the letter and find weed in it, you definitely won't be receiving the package unless it is done via controlled delivery.
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How long does it take for a love letter to go out from the time of interception? Don't know if you know this, but it could be helpful information. Thanks in advance.
I'm not sure- those letters are usually sent by US Customs to recipients inside the USA.
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Recently there has been some discussion on the priority mailers you pick up at the post office and postage. See:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=1474.0
and
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=1528.0
So a couple of questions on the subject.
If you pick up a priority mailer, and also purchase a priority stamp, then put the package in a random blue box, will you still get Priority service?
If you use a priority mailer and regular stamps, is this likely to attract attention to the package?
If you put the priority stamp on a priority package and drop it in the blue box, it will get taken to the local post office and probably sorted correctly from there. I say probably because that is not something the postal inspectors really handle and I'm just going off of what I saw when I worked there. I know people often fuck up postage and put things in the wrong box.
As to your second question, I think it looks more suspicious than using the priority stamp. I never saw a package intercepted that was mailed in that manner.
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Janetreno,
I have rec'd 4 packs from SR now in 2 diff states.
I have noticed they all come hand-canceled (sharpie) with no little red bars on the bottom (Intelligent Mail bar-code).
I had a priority mail one where the 4 dollar stamp wasn't canceled at all, I plan on re-using that one.
I have had all types of mail but they are all hand-canceled if anything.
What do you think about this?
That's out of the ordinary, to be sure. I wouldn't say it's indicative of the postal inspectors looking at your mail. Are these all from the same seller?
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Did you ever see any lsd on blotter paper get seized? What were the mistakes made that got it seized?
When you say personal amounts have a relatively small chance of a controlled delivery, how much paper LSD would the Inspectors consider excessive? (general estimate)
Thanks!!
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Did you ever see any lsd on blotter paper get seized? What were the mistakes made that got it seized?
Personally I think it's impossible for blotter to be detected if you don't fuck up majorly. It's just paper. Write a nice letter, fold the blotters into the paper. Done.
My question:
What would you consider the safest way of sending liquids?
Making sure it doesn't leak is a no-brainer, but would there be any type of bottle or other container to make people be not suspicious in in the least?
Also:
Do you think LE would go through the hassle of trying to determine the sender if they found prints on/in a package/letter that came from somewhere abroad (and contained amounts that can only be considered for personal use)?
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Did you ever see any lsd on blotter paper get seized? What were the mistakes made that got it seized?
Personally I think it's impossible for blotter to be detected if you don't fuck up majorly. It's just paper. Write a nice letter, fold the blotters into the paper. Done.
Back in the days before a certain 9 fingered guitarist died, we used to mail sheets of perforated acid in wrapped in carbon paper, because we had heard that the x-ray machines would show through the perforations. So, I'm wondering if that is true. If there are any other things like that that can be avoided, I'd certainly like to know.
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1. If I drop mail in a local blue box addresses to someone within my town, it bears a postmark from a large city that's quite a distance away. Is it reasonably safe to assume that it gets collected in a sack along with all the other local mail going out, and isn't sorted until it reaches the large city where it's postmarked?
2. Also how big of a flag is it to use a fake return address? If I started vending, do you think my packs would get flagged for using the address of, let's say a local McDonald's with a random name, or maybe even the name of the restaurants manager? Obviously someone would investigate after the manager called the cops in the event of a return to sender, but there's a few tricks one can use to keep the heat from zeroing in for a while.
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Hi Janet Reno
Thanks for the great thread. A seller here claims 30 shipments went missing (seized) in the USPS domestic mail. How long would it take for a love letter or visit from LE? Could it take longer than a month?
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Here's an interesting question for you:
(The buyers who are most at risk are those who have drugs mailed to their house that already contains other drugs. These other drugs will work against your story that you didn't intend to receive the package.)
Let's assume that your drug-containing mail is discovered by the post, and they setup a controlled delivery. Let's also assume you are someone who has a stash of various drugs in your house at the time the package arrives.
What would happen if the controlled delivery is executed but instead of bringing the package into your house, from the second you touch the package, without opening it you bring it directly into your vehicle, and lock the doors. Now, assume their are no drugs or incriminating items in said vehicle.
Does this give the LE permission to search your HOUSE, or can they only search your VEHICLE since that is where the drugs went? An added bonus is that you could claim you put it there b/c you will soon be driving to the post office to return the package "you didn't order."
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@floydfan
The cancellation marks where you sent it from (This is step 1 and happens as close to the blue box as possible). Having a return address that does not match the pick up point makes it more suspicious not less. Postal workers pay more attention to their own stamps then whatever you write on it.
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Here's an interesting question for you:
(The buyers who are most at risk are those who have drugs mailed to their house that already contains other drugs. These other drugs will work against your story that you didn't intend to receive the package.)
Let's assume that your drug-containing mail is discovered by the post, and they setup a controlled delivery. Let's also assume you are someone who has a stash of various drugs in your house at the time the package arrives.
What would happen if the controlled delivery is executed but instead of bringing the package into your house, from the second you touch the package, without opening it you bring it directly into your vehicle, and lock the doors. Now, assume their are no drugs or incriminating items in said vehicle.
Does this give the LE permission to search your HOUSE, or can they only search your VEHICLE since that is where the drugs went? An added bonus is that you could claim you put it there b/c you will soon be driving to the post office to return the package "you didn't order."
Yeah, some people try this. It won't work. Once you've signed for the package, that's it. A lot of folks will try to hand off the package within a minute of receiving the package and that's not quick enough. You received and signed for the package at your home address and thus, your home will be searched.
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The cancellation marks where you sent it from (This is step 1 and happens as close to the blue box as possible). Having a return address that does not match the pick up point makes it more suspicious not less. Postal workers pay more attention to their own stamps then whatever you write on it.
I am confused by your response. What cancellation do you speak of?
I would deliver the packages to a blue box within a close proximity to whichever McDonald's (just an example location) address I used. The pick up point would be very close to the address, but evidence suggests the sorting location for a huge area is more than an hours drive away leaving, alot of room for randomizing where packages are dropped off.
And what about stamps? USPS has their rules for whats allowed to be dropped into the blue boxes on their website. So long as I stay within the rules, and use adequate postage whats the problem?
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Hey Ms. Reno: My friend had a package (via First Class) delivered and it had a pen mark through the postage stamps which were stuck on there, but other than that, no other markings (not city/location of departure, or date, or anything). He'd never seen this before?
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Based on what has been said already, it seems that the easiest "escape plan" is to never sign for a drug package. No legitimate seller is going to require signature for delivery, so if this comes up you know it's a controlled delivery. Then you just refuse to sign and play dumb. Is it this simple?
Have there ever been any raids/search warrants executed WITHOUT the resident signing for a package? Is there anything I'm missing here?
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Based on what has been said already, it seems that the easiest "escape plan" is to never sign for a drug package. No legitimate seller is going to require signature for delivery, so if this comes up you know it's a controlled delivery. Then you just refuse to sign and play dumb. Is it this simple?
Have there ever been any raids/search warrants executed WITHOUT the resident signing for a package? Is there anything I'm missing here?
Thats a pretty good question
However its not known whether a signature is required for a warrant to be executed. If they just stake out your house and eventually see you go get it in the mail, and bring it in, is that enough? It very well may be.
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1. If I drop mail in a local blue box addresses to someone within my town, it bears a postmark from a large city that's quite a distance away. Is it reasonably safe to assume that it gets collected in a sack along with all the other local mail going out, and isn't sorted until it reaches the large city where it's postmarked?
2. Also how big of a flag is it to use a fake return address? If I started vending, do you think my packs would get flagged for using the address of, let's say a local McDonald's with a random name, or maybe even the name of the restaurants manager? Obviously someone would investigate after the manager called the cops in the event of a return to sender, but there's a few tricks one can use to keep the heat from zeroing in for a while.
1. This isn't a problem. Lots of people send mail when they are out of town and obviously their return address will be far from the location they are mailing from. From the local post office, it goes to a larger facility (sometimes called a GMF- General Mail Facility) for proper sorting and transport.
2. Do not do this.
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Hi Janet Reno
Thanks for the great thread. A seller here claims 30 shipments went missing (seized) in the USPS domestic mail. How long would it take for a love letter or visit from LE? Could it take longer than a month?
Thirty? That's quite a claim. Maybe they are waiting to see exactly how much of the contraband this person is selling, and to whom. But I doubt it, because in a true LE investigation, they wouldn't do anything to tip off the target before they were ready to make the arrest. Obviously intercepting thirty (!) of his outgoing parcels of contraband and then sitting on it for a month would be a fairly large tip off.
I would be very dubious of this seller's claim.
So-called "love letters" typically refer to the letters sent by US Customs when they find drugs in mail sent to your address. This takes 4-6 weeks after they intercept from what I understand, but I never worked with Customs. I have received one love letter from them years ago when I ordered some Xanax from overseas.
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Hey Ms. Reno: My friend had a package (via First Class) delivered and it had a pen mark through the postage stamps which were stuck on there, but other than that, no other markings (not city/location of departure, or date, or anything). He'd never seen this before?
I can't say for certain what that is, but I am fairly sure it has nothing to do with the postal inspectors.
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Based on what has been said already, it seems that the easiest "escape plan" is to never sign for a drug package. No legitimate seller is going to require signature for delivery, so if this comes up you know it's a controlled delivery. Then you just refuse to sign and play dumb. Is it this simple?
Have there ever been any raids/search warrants executed WITHOUT the resident signing for a package? Is there anything I'm missing here?
You should never sign for a package of contraband. During a controlled delivery, there will be multiple agents around your home, with surveillance on all the possible escape routes. You can just not open the door, or you can open it and say you don't accept packages from unknown senders. But I have to be honest with you- at this point in the game, they have dedicated some serious resources toward your arrest and you should think about this when considering your personal level of risk in using the US mail to buy illegal drugs.
If there is nothing else they have on you besides this package they intercepted, they won't have enough to get a warrant.
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Based on what has been said already, it seems that the easiest "escape plan" is to never sign for a drug package. No legitimate seller is going to require signature for delivery, so if this comes up you know it's a controlled delivery. Then you just refuse to sign and play dumb. Is it this simple?
Have there ever been any raids/search warrants executed WITHOUT the resident signing for a package? Is there anything I'm missing here?
Thats a pretty good question
However its not known whether a signature is required for a warrant to be executed. If they just stake out your house and eventually see you go get it in the mail, and bring it in, is that enough? It very well may be.
No, a controlled delivery will normally be conducted by an inspector posing as a mailman. And when they intercept a package for controlled delivery, they remove the drugs and replace them with a lookalike substance (in whole or part). They aren't just going to drop this off in your mailbox. Many couriers will try to handoff the package within a minute of receiving it.
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Thirty? That's quite a claim. Maybe they are waiting to see exactly how much of the contraband this person is selling, and to whom. But I doubt it, because in a true LE investigation, they wouldn't do anything to tip off the target before they were ready to make the arrest. Obviously intercepting thirty (!) of his outgoing parcels of contraband and then sitting on it for a month would be a fairly large tip off.
I would be very dubious of this seller's claim.
So-called "love letters" typically refer to the letters sent by US Customs when they find drugs in mail sent to your address. This takes 4-6 weeks after they intercept from what I understand, but I never worked with Customs. I have received one love letter from them years ago when I ordered some Xanax from overseas.
Thanks Janet Reno. I felt this claim was odd. So if I understand correctly if domestic mail is seized the receipient isn't given any special notification?
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Dear Janet,
if your name and packages are being watched (because of previous packages seized), do you have a legal right to be informed of that ? Say, can i call whoever I have to call and ask them if I'm being watched ?
I know this may sound naive, but i felt like asking. I don't think they would tell me, right ? And if so, it would be self-incriminating to do so ?
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This is an awesome thread and I've really appreciated the entire thing
And do you know if the signature is required? Or will a request of signature be apart of a controlled delivery?
In other words, what is the safest way to receive a package? Obviously never sign for it.
But what are some tell tale signs that someone would use to anticipate a controlled delivery was taking place?
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Hey Ms. Reno: My friend had a package (via First Class) delivered and it had a pen mark through the postage stamps which were stuck on there, but other than that, no other markings (not city/location of departure, or date, or anything). He'd never seen this before?
I used to trade music bootlegs and more recently, DVDs and video games. This pen mark is simply an alternate way of cancelling the postage so that you can't use it again. I don't know why a pen is used to strike through the postage instead of just stamping it like usual - maybe the stamp pad runs out or maybe only the machine sorted cancels will the stamp or something.. but the postage is cancelled this way on 5-10% of my packages.
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I never saw ice hockey skates used to conceal anything, so I assume they don't work for that purpose.
Or, it does work, which is why you never saw it...
We should be noting that methods that JanetReno has never seen or heard of might be because they work well, which is why JanetReno has never seen or heard of it... ;-)
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Looking for people's opinions on the chance of a package not arriving because it was tracked via Tor...?
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Looking for people's opinions on the chance of a package not arriving because it was tracked via Tor...?
It's been all over many threads, that you should never track for shipments websites while using Tor, this is a "node" or whatever thing, that LE can use.
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I think you've got most of the important bases covered except for one.. the gift card. Gift cards of course, have to be activated at the cash register. No matter what form of payment is tendered.. the paper trail begins. Obviously, Visa or MasterCard or whomever can trace the activity of that gift card to it's end. Even though a name(fake or real)won't necessarily be associated with the card, in all likelihood your face will be. Only if you are buying the gift card from a retail establishment with no security cameras can you escape having your image recorded right off the bat.(even if you can buy it clean and as you mentioned, these days you most likely cannot in this any US Post Office main door without being recorded) Let's assume you drop the pkg. or envelope as described. Next, let's say that for some reason or another, somewhere along the line between drop off and delivery.. your pkg. falls under closer scrutiny by Postal officials. Yes, it's unlikely but certainly and without question it's possible (and DOES happen.) It can occur for any number of reasons and/or under circumstances completely beyond your control. Let's take a worst-case-scenario approach and say for argument's sake the contents of your pkg. are discovered to contain contraband and Postal Police are brought in. Since you purchased postage from an APC they'll immediately know exactly where and when the transaction took place and they'll know how it was paid for. Even if the APC camera didn't record your face they can almost surely sync up other security camera footage from either outside the PO and/or inside and pretty much narrow it down to you. Just for kicks lets say all cameras at that particular PO that day were down and they got nothing in terms of images. No problem for Postal Po Po. They know the issuer of the gift card used and the the acct. number. They simply go to Visa or MC and ask for(or subpoena)the point of purchase information of that card. That info will take them to the retail store who sold the card. They can then get that establishment to hand over the videotape record of your purchase and have your image. They might also interview the cashier on duty who did your transaction. Let's go back and say for argument's sake they couldn't figure out who you were from their own cameras. At the very least with the store video they would be able to narrow it down to you and at worse the store video would give them 2X the proof of they would need to identify you as the perpetrator of a federal crime. They still don't have a name to go with the face but they are definitely not yet out of options. Using what they do have they still have several other investigative options they can use that give them a pretty fair chance of ultimately identifying you by name. Maybe the PO you dropped from had a camera pointing at the front entrance which also picked up some of the street activity including the space you parked in. Maybe the camera even picked with your vehicle tag. Or, maybe their cameras didn't cover you parking or driving off but others rolling nearby did. There's a very good chance you and/or your car were picked up by some camera on your approach and/or departure as you drove away. They might decide to repackage and follow the parcel to the receiver..do a CB and squeeze the buyer for more info on you. One ought not underestimate the tenacity of the USPIS. In some circles of Federal LE ..Postal Inspectors are considered the most effective of all the Federal Police forces(DEA, FBI, etc)
Personally, I wouldn't take any chances when it comes security cameras and paper trails. By no means is this a complete and comprehensive list but off the top of my head, here are some prudent precautions one ought to be taking ...
Fuck the gift cards. Use stamps. Stamps are not traceable(remember, don't lick 'em with your DNA either.)
If you are not sure of the postage and have a postal scale use the online shipping assistant to determine correct postage or use the APC for that but don't drop the pkg at that PO.
Don't over stamp. Calculate exact postage.
Don't use tape on the outside of packing. Use spray adhesive to seal flaps..NO TAPE.
Don't use return addresses that can be successfully RTS like local businesses. Use large apartment or condo buildings for return address and leave off an apt. or unit number.
Use drop boxes that are not covered by surveillance cameras.
Don't use same drops regularly.
Drop pkgs in the same zip code as the return address.
Print labels but if you must write change up pen colors and writing styles. Check to be sure your printer isn't one that can rat you out later.
Don't use DCN stickers and Express labels in numeric order or repeatedly from same PO location. Mix it up with labels from different locations.
Drop your pkgs as close as possible to pick up times especially Express mail pkgs(no time to poke around Express pkgs once they are picked up and on their way to FedEx cargo)the airport.
Be sure you are not followed when you go to drop. (I'm serious about this one) Drop when it's dark out. Don't walk out of your house openly carrying mail that's to be sent. Don't tell anyone especially the buyer(even causally) WHEN you expect to do your drop.
Consider not giving out DCN or Express tracking numbers to your buyers. Avoid having your pkgs tracked at all if possible.. track them only if/when delivery issues arise.
AVOID establishing any identifiable patterns whether it be packaging or labeling or dropping.
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Hello..I order something with a different name to a friends address and they gave him a yellow note saying that they want the names of the new people living there...is this normal? Or is it LE?
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Its looks like an official USPS yellow card....we're wondering if we should put the fake name on the card or not to.....any suggestions?
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It is a verification Yellow card to make sure that the person actually lives at the address it was sent to. Well that's want the postal office said....well im nervous still but my friend said he will put the fake last name on it..any thoughts
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Don't use fake names, that's retarded. You are not protecting yourself from shit. Especially if you register the name at your residence. How exactly do you plan on explaining this when LE comes knocking on your door?
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Dont know.....so the item....is lost....
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I don't know, it sounds like you need to start your own thread. This thread is for questions relating to the policies of Postal Inspectors. You are asking about general mail delivery.
Chances are you just need to pick up your package from the post office and stop using fake names for your shipments. Tell them that the fake person was visiting for a few days and doesn't actually live there.
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hello janet , super advices all over here and thanks for infos..
i want you to ask about shipments sending out of US into EU.
How officiers turn they investigations ? cause the senders are mostly anonymous
they just seized the pack ?
or they cooperate with each EU state individually ? and send the pack further with info what they found..
for expample
some stuff is legal somewhere over here , or some countries have got some extra settlements in some kind of "narco war"
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Unfortunately I have found myself in precisely the situation I sought to avoid...
I ordered 100 generic klonopin, and the seller shipped them using a method that requires a signature. Since I work all day, I received one of the pink slips in my mailbox. The box on the front stating that my signature is required at the time of delivery is NOT checked. I see myself having three options: cut my losses, sign the slip and have them redeliver the package and leave it outside of my door when I'm not home, or pick it up at the post office. The voice of reason is saying cut my losses, but I would really rather not waste the money, and I would think that this type of order would just be seized by customs rather than wasting the effort to set me up. Is this a reasonable assumption? If I signed the slip and had them redeliver when I'm not around, would this provide sufficient evident of intent to receive the package? Have you ever heard of a bust being conducted in such a way? I know that the smart answer is to just let it go...I just really don't want to. Any relevant input is much appreciated, and thanks for this great thread.
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Unfortunately I have found myself in precisely the situation I sought to avoid...
I ordered 100 generic klonopin, and the seller shipped them using a method that requires a signature. Since I work all day, I received one of the pink slips in my mailbox. The box on the front stating that my signature is required at the time of delivery is NOT checked. I see myself having three options: cut my losses, sign the slip and have them redeliver the package and leave it outside of my door when I'm not home, or pick it up at the post office. The voice of reason is saying cut my losses, but I would really rather not waste the money, and I would think that this type of order would just be seized by customs rather than wasting the effort to set me up. Is this a reasonable assumption? If I signed the slip and had them redeliver when I'm not around, would this provide sufficient evident of intent to receive the package? Have you ever heard of a bust being conducted in such a way? I know that the smart answer is to just let it go...I just really don't want to. Any relevant input is much appreciated, and thanks for this great thread.
I'm in exactly the same situation. I've let it sit for a couple days and I think I'm going to just go down and pick it up. It doesn't seem like the way they would do a controlled delivery, and I'm pretty sure the seller just had a monumental lapse in judgment and sent it with signature confirmation.
If you don't hear back from me.. it was nice knowing ya'll.
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Janet -- great thread. Does the USPS flag foreclosed addresses it order to stop mail from coming/going to said address? Could you explain more about how the process of mail/addresses entering the system works?
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Janet -- great thread. Does the USPS flag foreclosed addresses it order to stop mail from coming/going to said address? Could you explain more about how the process of mail/addresses entering the system works?
@lx4hdv
Don't use foreclosed/abandoned addresses, period.
@JanetReno
I would also like to know about mail entering the system. Specifically, are return addresses checked at random or always?
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A question for janetreno or anyone who might know:
Is purchasing a USPS cashiers check and sending it via USPS to a bitcoin exchanger going to arouse suspicion, just because of bitcoins?
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If I normally receive a decent amount of packages from legit places such as amazon newegg etc then there should be no problem having discreet packages sent to my home address? I'v personally used a po box before at school for 10+ pill orders international and never had a problem so I don't see why I would have a problem at my house. And last time I checked the only way for me to get caught is to get caught up in a sting where they get me to sign something. I don't accept any mail that's not left at my door or mail box unless I specifically know I got something sent that I needed to sign for.
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Hi janetreno,
My dilemma is that i have a package awaiting collection at the local post office, i was unaware that it had to be signed for and got the package sent in another name. This poses the problem that i have to sign for a package that isnt technically mine without ID for the fake name. Is there a way around this by saying he is my mate or something like that. Thanks for your help.
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There was a question asked earlier that I haven't seen an answer too that I am concerned about. How likely is LE to try and identify and prosecute the sender if they find fingerprints on a package with say less than an oz of weed? Thanks for all your help!
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Hey,
Does anyone know what happens to USPS sorting facilities during a hurricane like Irene? What sorta precautions do these places have if they're built in low-lying areas? Does mail damage happen from flooding?
I'm just worried 'cause I'm expecting an international package that was shipped recently...and if my shipper was sending from Florida or the Northeast (It's none of my business where they're shipping from, I'm only concerned that they be a professional who knows how to get the goods from point A to point B) there's a chance the package might be at the International sorting facility in NYC at JFK Airport...which is forecast to get flooded on hard. I'm just concerned about the package being ruined, me losing the goods and having the cover blown on a rental mailbox my first time using it.
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1. are there certain materials the xray cannot see thru?
2. can they determine the exact post office from which the package or letter was sent from?
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1. are there certain materials the xray cannot see thru?
2. can they determine the exact post office from which the package or letter was sent from?
Good question, hopefully can get an answer on this. BTW.. This is a fantastic thread.
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1. are there certain materials the xray cannot see thru?
2. can they determine the exact post office from which the package or letter was sent from?
Lead. Carbon paper is a myth and I read somewhere that the carbon paper shows up right away and can be a red flag.
I think so, the postmark stamps usually have the city & zip & iirc some other number (probably a PO number or something)
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Where has the postal inspector gone?
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Where has the postal inspector gone?
he prob got tired of answering inane questions
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Thanks Janet Reno.
Two more questions...does USPS xray all international packages, and can ice hockey skates really conceal things from the xray?
Don't think so, not sure if these help but......
ICE SKATE X-RAY - http://4eiruntyxxbgfv7o.onion/imgzapr/upload/pdbl027867.jpg
ICE HOCKEY SKATE X-RAY - http://4eiruntyxxbgfv7o.onion/imgzapr/upload/9dc4f63b79c5a4e56911bc2c9cad81be.jpg
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Nice pics. Unfortunately they're much more revealing than I thought!
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Nice pics. Unfortunately they're much more revealing than I thought!
The only way i could see this working is to disguise it as a safety feature of the boot, eg. the toe, or ankle. Or attach it to the blade of the boot & hope it was overlooked?
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Based on what has been said already, it seems that the easiest "escape plan" is to never sign for a drug package. No legitimate seller is going to require signature for delivery, so if this comes up you know it's a controlled delivery. Then you just refuse to sign and play dumb. Is it this simple?
Have there ever been any raids/search warrants executed WITHOUT the resident signing for a package? Is there anything I'm missing here?
You should never sign for a package of contraband. During a controlled delivery, there will be multiple agents around your home, with surveillance on all the possible escape routes. You can just not open the door, or you can open it and say you don't accept packages from unknown senders. But I have to be honest with you- at this point in the game, they have dedicated some serious resources toward your arrest and you should think about this when considering your personal level of risk in using the US mail to buy illegal drugs.
If there is nothing else they have on you besides this package they intercepted, they won't have enough to get a warrant.
Great info here! I'm bummed that the OP seems to have bailed out on this thread - but for me, the above quote was the primary takeaway from this Q&A.
I'd like more information regarding whether LE can obtain a search warrant with only an intercepted package; ie, if they show up to my door for a controlled delivery, but I don't sign anything, does that mean they have to go home? or, even if I refuse the package, are they going to rip apart my abode?
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I'd like more information regarding whether LE can obtain a search warrant with only an intercepted package; ie, if they show up to my door for a controlled delivery, but I don't sign anything, does that mean they have to go home? or, even if I refuse the package, are they going to rip apart my abode?
A controlled delivery has no valid search warrant until such a time as a package has been accepted and brought into the dwelling. You do not have to sign for a package for controlled delivery bust, all you have to do is accept a package by hand from someone at the door and bring it into the dwelling even if the name on the package is completely different from anyone that lives there. They do not usually bust open the doors as soon as you take the package but wait a bit and then come storming on in.
Now your question on whether or not LE can obtain a search warrant for only an intercepted package is tough to answer, because really a search warrant depends on whether a Judge determines that there is enough evidence to support one. If a guy is getting 1lb of weed shipped a judge may say no to a warrant but if 50kg they may approve it, but really LE wants a case to be solid and without the destination actually possessing the drugs shipped in the mail makes for a very weak case easily tossed out.
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Would an ounce of bud be a waste of time and resources for LE? I ordered an ounce from Canada and just found out that Xpresspost requires a signature.
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A box that is impervious to XRAY is definitely going to get opened up by customs... Now, a box who's content look exactly like what the declaration ticket says it is...
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Well, hopefully the OP will come back, or other posters can weigh in on this question...
Overall, how risky is it to get SR packages sent to my real name at my real address if I'm only buying personal quantities on an occasional basis? (Probably weed and hallucinogens only.) I don't think any of my friends would be willing to have a package full of drugs delivered to their home, especially since many of them have drugs in their home already. I don't have any other addresses that I can use. I live in an apartment building and my mail carrier always leaves boxes on the porch (the area where they're left is hidden from view of the street.) I've sent and received drugs through the mail many times in the past with no issues but most of those were from/to family and friends and not an unknown internet seller...
What kind of precautions does the casual SR buyer use?
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The lessons we can learn from this thread:
#1 There is WAY too much mail and not enough inspectors inspections so regular looking mail should get through.
#2 Using fake names to your address is a bad idea and a flag.
#3 Using a BUSINESS address though is a good idea. Tons of people run home businesses and buy and sell stuff off e-bay and amazon. So establish a business name (whether you legally incorporate it or not) and send lots of packages from a variety of places around the world to your address. Buy some cheap crap from everywhere and send out some stuff.
#4 Now, when ordering small personal use amounts via regular mail to your business name you are probably the safest as safe can be. Anyone can send crap to that name, the name is not you, but it will be noticed that a business is run from the address.
#5 Don't sign for things. Keep it small, Keep it simple. If something seems fishy abandon ship.
For those of you trying to do large shipments.... I have no idea. That is a way more complex area I wouldn't want to get involved in.
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The lessons we can learn from this thread:
#1 There is WAY too much mail and not enough inspectors inspections so regular looking mail should get through.
#2 Using fake names to your address is a bad idea and a flag.
#3 Using a BUSINESS address though is a good idea. Tons of people run home businesses and buy and sell stuff off e-bay and amazon. So establish a business name (whether you legally incorporate it or not) and send lots of packages from a variety of places around the world to your address. Buy some cheap crap from everywhere and send out some stuff.
#4 Now, when ordering small personal use amounts via regular mail to your business name you are probably the safest as safe can be. Anyone can send crap to that name, the name is not you, but it will be noticed that a business is run from the address.
#5 Don't sign for things. Keep it small, Keep it simple. If something seems fishy abandon ship.
For those of you trying to do large shipments.... I have no idea. That is a way more complex area I wouldn't want to get involved in.
+1 Great summary, thank you.
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Welcome, and thanks to all the contributors.
Peace, safety, freedom & respect.
-Kris
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Thank you JR for your time and info ,
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For those of you who are interested in xray proof bags - be sure, it is pure fake. No material known can be used block xray to make the contents indistinguishable. You will need a lot of lead to make it opaque. Not even a 1cm thick layer. It is all a myth. Period.
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The lessons we can learn from this thread:
#1 There is WAY too much mail and not enough inspectors inspections so regular looking mail should get through.
#2 Using fake names to your address is a bad idea and a flag.
#3 Using a BUSINESS address though is a good idea. Tons of people run home businesses and buy and sell stuff off e-bay and amazon. So establish a business name (whether you legally incorporate it or not) and send lots of packages from a variety of places around the world to your address. Buy some cheap crap from everywhere and send out some stuff.
#4 Now, when ordering small personal use amounts via regular mail to your business name you are probably the safest as safe can be. Anyone can send crap to that name, the name is not you, but it will be noticed that a business is run from the address.
#5 Don't sign for things. Keep it small, Keep it simple. If something seems fishy abandon ship.
For those of you trying to do large shipments.... I have no idea. That is a way more complex area I wouldn't want to get involved in.
+1 to that as well, read all the pages so far and that's what i got out of it as well. Basic summary - Keep it simple, the more you try to outsmart the LE the bigger the grave you dig for yourself. Once they have you on their radar there is no way you can escape.
As a BUYER, i would also like to add my 2 cents to the discussion - I recently picked up a package at a small Pa and ma run USPS PO BOX office and since the package was too big too fit in the mailbox i had to go into the post office to pick it up. At this point he asked for my ID and this had NEVER happened before. I presented my id, took my package and promptly started to drive off and then i saw a cop car pull in to the complex. I literally SHIT my pants, i was about to throw away the package when i decided to just drive off and see whether he follows me or not and turns out he didnt.
Nonetheless, this was a wake up call for me and i decided to get my shit together so that if i do get caught they have very little on me. Because no matter how you look at it if you are on their radar YOU WILL GET CAUGHT..
Step 1 - Close the PO BOX, its bullshit anyways, opened it with my official id and what not and i have to pick up the packages every time and even though its a small store, no cameras no nothing, if LE wanted to catch me it would be pretty easy.
Step 2 - Clean out the house - I had lsd, dmt, weed, coke and what not (all personal amounts) in my house so if they did bust me and searched my house i would be fucked. I decided to ease up on the ordering and to not have more than 1 type of drug of personal amounts in my house at a time i.e not more than 3.5-7g of weed in the house TOTAL OR 10 hits of LSD (but not both) and thats it (i know its hard but its worth the peace of mind).
Step 3 - Secure my PC (truecrypt and all the pgp shit, had some of it already going but just finished up securing it).
Step 4 - Buy BTC with cash deposits, instawallet it to SR and enjoy (was using, Bank -> Dwolla -> mt and so on)
So at this point if they bust me, they have at most 1 type of drug in their hand and some small personal amounts of drug at my home, photo of me depositing cash at a bank and thats it. No fake ids, no po boxes, no random hide out areas and i figured that with all this info they probably cant even justify the cost of going after me for just what $100 worth of drugs in transit and at home and for buying btc? LOL! The only other thing they can hit me with is my past orders but hell i cant do anything about it now can I?
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I finally finished to read this thread.
Fuck off my P.O. Box and fake names!
I'm a very light user. An ounce of weed may run for months for me. 10 LSD ticks... uau... a year! I made a deal with a friend, when I buy something, I'll store my drugs/bongs/rolling papers in his house.
I live in a small town of a poor country. I really can't imagine cups tracking money or something at my PC (the majority is not well literate at all). I will not be careless because of it, of course.
What is a instawallet?
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JR,
Not sure if you still regular this thread or not but first I'd like to say thanks for the advice given in this thread. I'm sure it has helped many a buyer and seller.
1.) A question I didn't see asked was how much time does instituting a controlled delivery usually increase the delivery time of packages? You state several times that inspectors will go through and open the package videoing and or photographing the process fingerprint the package and replace the illicit item with a look alike substance. This seems like it would take what one to three business days just to do this process alone? Then LEO are contacted and surveillance the place in question and know who the person receiving the package is. This seems like it would take about another week to conduct? Does that seem like a good estimation?
2.) I'm assuming that packages coming from overseas are inspected by both the countries customs sent from and the countries customs received? Are the US customs notified and contacted if the substance is confiscated in the country sent from?
3.) What do powdery substances show up like on x-rays and are there any methods or ways to go about concealing powdery substances? Talking 1-2grams max.
Thank you
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hi.
im about to order a small bag of heroin, and i was just wondering, if the LE found it, would they send a love letter or do a controlled delivery?
thanks
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JR,
Not sure if you still regular this thread or not but first I'd like to say thanks for the advice given in this thread. I'm sure it has helped many a buyer and seller.
1.) A question I didn't see asked was how much time does instituting a controlled delivery usually increase the delivery time of packages? You state several times that inspectors will go through and open the package videoing and or photographing the process fingerprint the package and replace the illicit item with a look alike substance. This seems like it would take what one to three business days just to do this process alone? Then LEO are contacted and surveillance the place in question and know who the person receiving the package is. This seems like it would take about another week to conduct? Does that seem like a good estimation?
2.) I'm assuming that packages coming from overseas are inspected by both the countries customs sent from and the countries customs received? Are the US customs notified and contacted if the substance is confiscated in the country sent from?
3.) What do powdery substances show up like on x-rays and are there any methods or ways to go about concealing powdery substances? Talking 1-2grams max.
Thank you
these are great questions, just the kind of stuff I wish we could get more information on - unfortunately, I think the OP has been away from the thread for awhile now.
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I have a question ( I know the OP isn't around, but maybe someone can answer). Would using a work address (with several hundred staff) and your real name be safer or worse than using your own home address and real name? Sorry if this has been answered, I couldn't find it if so.
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Hey janetreno, interesting thread - thanks for taking the time.
In your experience, what kind of treatment do packages get as evidence? Are they put through any routine operations regardless of the size or kind of contraband intercepted? I.e., photographing, cataloging of any kind, fingerprinting, etc... I'd assume that the kilo of heroin gets a more thorough treatment than the little bag of ecstasy, but how much more thorough?
Are you aware of any information-sharing agreements outside of the standard drug-enforcement stuff? Do postal inspectors talk to each other internationally in regular circumstances?
Have you ever followed any cases to the end, as in, seen anyone busted for sending sketchy things through the mail?
If a package suspected of containing drugs is intercepted, ....
There is a good deal of international cooperation, but it depends heavily on the country of origin (where the package was sent from). I've never been taken on a controlled delivery so I can't say I've ever seen one go down in person. I have seen the busted people in court though, and witnessed testimony from the inspectors during the trial.
Postal Inspectors are very intelligent, educated, and highly compensated law enforcement officers. This isn't your fat, unshaven mailman who got a promotion. Do not underestimate them.
Okay, first, in the quoted post, you state that you have never been taken on a controlled delivery. However, in your post here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=346.msg1904#msg1904
you state:
"Your last question is harder for me to answer because once the package is alerted on by a dog and xrayed to confirm possible contraband, the inspectors get a warrant and go through a lengthy process of discreetly opening it (documenting it with video or still photos all the way) in such a way that will allow them to repackage it for a controlled delivery, if they decide to make one. I was only present for a few of those so I didn't see a lot of how the packages looked when they were first opened."
So which is it? Were you present at a a "few" controlled deliveries, or were you never present at a controlled delivery? Why would you state one thing at one point, and another thing at another? Being present on a few controlled deliveries isn't exactly the kind of thing you "forget."
For those too busy to read, in one post Ms. Reno states:
"... controlled delivery if they decide to make one. I was only present for a few of these ..."
and in a later one she states
"... I've never been taken on a controlled delivery so I can't ..."
Whether or not this entire thread is BS, we know there is SOME BS here, and we have no way of knowing what is BS and what isn't.
Further, coming from someone who may or may not be a lawyer, I can tell you that Ms. Reno's advice to sign an affidavit of confession at the time of a controlled delivery is EXACTLY the kind of advice that undercover LE would want to spread. The notion that your "cooperating" by not envoking your Miranda rights will somehow get you treated less harshly by law enforcement is a COMPLETE AND UTTER FARCE. If you are EVER confronted by law enforcement, your first question should be "am I under arrest or otherwise detained?" If the answer is "no," then you LEAVE. If they are on your property you tell them POLITELY "in that case, Sir (or Madam), I have to ask you to leave at this time." If the answer is "YES" then you should ask WHICH it is, i.e., whether you are under arrest, or whether it's a detainment. If you're under arrest and you had to ask before they told you, they are SOL because they've violated your basic constitutional rights. This does NOT mean you can now do / say whatever you want. You still STFU and tell them that you would like to respectfully invoke your Miranda right to remain silent and to be represented by an attorney. If you are simply detained, you STILL STFU and tell them that you do not feel comfortable giving any statements or answering any questions without first being represented by an attorney.
HEADS UP PEOPLE, there is a NON-ZERO CHANCE Reno is LEO. Just because he/she has given some information that may be true, that does not mean that he/she is not LEO. The contradiction regarding being present on controlled deliveries makes me believe he/she is a BSer at least to a certain extent, and the advice regarding signing an affidavit makes me believe he/she is LEO and/or VERY STUPID, and in either case NOTHING he/she has written should be trusted or given any weight.
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hi.
im about to order a small bag of heroin, and i was just wondering, if the LE found it, would they send a love letter or do a controlled delivery?
thanks
customs are the only ones that send love letters. Any other LE will come after you with a controlled delivery
(if they deem it worth their efforts)
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Whether or not this entire thread is BS, we know there is SOME BS here, and we have no way of knowing what is BS and what isn't.
Don't mind the little word-play, but the BS is in your eyes ;)
OP didn't take part in controlled-whatever, but he did witness the process of oppening a package-etc.
And as for the rest of your post... I think there is a big difference between what laws says, and what actually happens. Especially when you are "common folk", further more when you are a not-so-rich "criminal".
& @Araiti: just grow some balls, its the heroin you should be afraid of...
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Hey janetreno, interesting thread - thanks for taking the time.
In your experience, what kind of treatment do packages get as evidence? Are they put through any routine operations regardless of the size or kind of contraband intercepted? I.e., photographing, cataloging of any kind, fingerprinting, etc... I'd assume that the kilo of heroin gets a more thorough treatment than the little bag of ecstasy, but how much more thorough?
Are you aware of any information-sharing agreements outside of the standard drug-enforcement stuff? Do postal inspectors talk to each other internationally in regular circumstances?
Have you ever followed any cases to the end, as in, seen anyone busted for sending sketchy things through the mail?
If a package suspected of containing drugs is intercepted, ....
There is a good deal of international cooperation, but it depends heavily on the country of origin (where the package was sent from). I've never been taken on a controlled delivery so I can't say I've ever seen one go down in person. I have seen the busted people in court though, and witnessed testimony from the inspectors during the trial.
Postal Inspectors are very intelligent, educated, and highly compensated law enforcement officers. This isn't your fat, unshaven mailman who got a promotion. Do not underestimate them.
Okay, first, in the quoted post, you state that you have never been taken on a controlled delivery. However, in your post here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=346.msg1904#msg1904
you state:
"Your last question is harder for me to answer because once the package is alerted on by a dog and xrayed to confirm possible contraband, the inspectors get a warrant and go through a lengthy process of discreetly opening it (documenting it with video or still photos all the way) in such a way that will allow them to repackage it for a controlled delivery, if they decide to make one. I was only present for a few of those so I didn't see a lot of how the packages looked when they were first opened."
So which is it? Were you present at a a "few" controlled deliveries, or were you never present at a controlled delivery? Why would you state one thing at one point, and another thing at another? Being present on a few controlled deliveries isn't exactly the kind of thing you "forget."
For those too busy to read, in one post Ms. Reno states:
"... controlled delivery if they decide to make one. I was only present for a few of these ..."
and in a later one she states
"... I've never been taken on a controlled delivery so I can't ..."
Whether or not this entire thread is BS, we know there is SOME BS here, and we have no way of knowing what is BS and what isn't.
Further, coming from someone who may or may not be a lawyer, I can tell you that Ms. Reno's advice to sign an affidavit of confession at the time of a controlled delivery is EXACTLY the kind of advice that undercover LE would want to spread. The notion that your "cooperating" by not envoking your Miranda rights will somehow get you treated less harshly by law enforcement is a COMPLETE AND UTTER FARCE. If you are EVER confronted by law enforcement, your first question should be "am I under arrest or otherwise detained?" If the answer is "no," then you LEAVE. If they are on your property you tell them POLITELY "in that case, Sir (or Madam), I have to ask you to leave at this time." If the answer is "YES" then you should ask WHICH it is, i.e., whether you are under arrest, or whether it's a detainment. If you're under arrest and you had to ask before they told you, they are SOL because they've violated your basic constitutional rights. This does NOT mean you can now do / say whatever you want. You still STFU and tell them that you would like to respectfully invoke your Miranda right to remain silent and to be represented by an attorney. If you are simply detained, you STILL STFU and tell them that you do not feel comfortable giving any statements or answering any questions without first being represented by an attorney.
HEADS UP PEOPLE, there is a NON-ZERO CHANCE Reno is LEO. Just because he/she has given some information that may be true, that does not mean that he/she is not LEO. The contradiction regarding being present on controlled deliveries makes me believe he/she is a BSer at least to a certain extent, and the advice regarding signing an affidavit makes me believe he/she is LEO and/or VERY STUPID, and in either case NOTHING he/she has written should be trusted or given any weight.
I'm familiar with and have had private exchanges with OP. Janet is legit. I think it's far more likely that you are LE trying to
discredit knowledge that helps people use the postal system without being caught. The only party that stands to benefit
fro your statements is LE. Now go have a bacon sammie. nom nom nom. 8)
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Can anyone (since i assume the op is long gone) weigh in on the following:
Would you gather that there might be above or below average risk involved mailing to a mailbox at a college? My reasoning that it would be relatively safe lies in that so much shit comes through there packages of all kinds for the intn'l students and its in a relatively quite community with friendly workers who don't seem very irritable. Plus having worked in the mailroom for newspaper I've never heard of any trouble with people getting anything
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Can anyone (since i assume the op is long gone) weigh in on the following:
Would you gather that there might be above or below average risk involved mailing to a mailbox at a college? My reasoning that it would be relatively safe lies in that so much shit comes through there packages of all kinds for the intn'l students and its in a relatively quite community with friendly workers who don't seem very irritable. Plus having worked in the mailroom for newspaper I've never heard of any trouble with people getting anything
I am also interested in hearing what others have to say. I'm sure it's incredibly subjective depending on location, size, and type of college (ex: public/private).
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Janet,
Can you explain this?
I have purchased drugs on line for over 10 years. Just about everything with the exception of heroin. Never had a problem until one day I received a LL regarding an order of Tylenol #3 (tylenol with codeine.) The letter basically said that delivery had been intercepted and the contents destroyed due to the fact that they were contraband. I figured no problem, sure glad it was just codeine.
Now here is where things get interesting; approximately 3-4 months later, out of the blue arrives my tylenol with codeine, but only half of the order. It was very clear that the package had been opened and resealed. Everyone I have asked about this is stumped. What do you think?
td
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Ive had a friend mail stuff to a campus no problems, it was actually about a QP of nugget
honestly it all comes down to how well it was packaged and how not sketched out you are when picking it up just be excited and happy go lucky, they have no idea what you are doing and the more sketched you are the more of a red flag it will raise
Just understand that your doing something wrong so the feeling of that is going to obviously churn your stomach but just get by the first time and it will be like nothing the second/third/fourth. its all as sketchy as you make it, so if your a person who cant do it with confidence i wouldnt do it at all
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Ive had a friend mail stuff to a campus no problems, it was actually about a QP of nugget
honestly it all comes down to how well it was packaged and how not sketched out you are when picking it up just be excited and happy go lucky, they have no idea what you are doing and the more sketched you are the more of a red flag it will raise
Just understand that your doing something wrong so the feeling of that is going to obviously churn your stomach but just get by the first time and it will be like nothing the second/third/fourth. its all as sketchy as you make it, so if your a person who cant do it with confidence i wouldnt do it at all
That gives me a bit of hope. Needless to say, you are right about the packaging- the ball is truly in the sellers court with that one.
I'd like to hear some feedback about the setup at this university...
It is a large public university (~30000 students) located in Eastern United States.
Hypothetical delivery would be addressed to a dorm building on campus. Real name and address would be need to be used (Would slight misspellings work? I am not sure...).
Mailing services receive multiple large bags of mail/USPS packages daily. Letters and letters only are put inside personal mailbox (shared by two roommates). Any package is put in an office where it is stored in a locked container (This office is operated solely by students btw). The student is then sent an email informing them that they have a package waiting for them at the office (using information from shipping address/name). Each office is assigned to manage two dorm buildings (~800 students) .
I know its hard to judge but would you expect lower, average, or higher security at a university like the one above?
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Just re the police part:
1. Don't sign or say shit to anyone who might be a cop on to you. Sure they're after the big guys but they'll bust your ass too, and sign = confession = you're fucked. If they genuinely want to do a deal, they do that in writing through your lawyer.
2. Watch this video. It's awesome and gives both the POV of a defense lawyer and a cop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
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I was told that accessing a DCN # via Tor would raise a red flag because the ip address is anonymous. Do they have this kind of technology and would using Tor to check a DCN # raise a red flag?
I have a package that says it left Salt Lake City 3 days ago and has had no entries in the tracker since. It is domestic. Should that be a concern? Or is the tracking system just not that high tech?
Thanks,
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I was told that accessing a DCN # via Tor would raise a red flag because the ip address is anonymous. Do they have this kind of technology and would using Tor to check a DCN # raise a red flag?
I have a package that says it left Salt Lake City 3 days ago and has had no entries in the tracker since. It is domestic. Should that be a concern? Or is the tracking system just not that high tech?
Thanks,
Tracking sucks, rarely does it work the way it's suppose to. I'd wait 5 days before fretting.
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I was told that accessing a DCN # via Tor would raise a red flag because the ip address is anonymous. Do they have this kind of technology and would using Tor to check a DCN # raise a red flag?
I don't know if your shipper uses it, but yes it's trivially easy to tell if a website visitor is using Tor.
http://www.torproject.org/tordnsel/index.html.en
This is the command. Assume that your web server is 1.2.3.4, port 80, and you just got a request from IP 5.6.7.8.
dig 8.7.6.5.80.4.3.2.1.ip-port.exitlist.torproject.org +short
If it returns a result, then that request is from a tor node. Doesn't prove whether it's from the node's operator or some random tor user going through them of course; that's part of the idea of tor.
I have no idea whether shippers check this or flag it in any way. But yes it's easy to tell.
Also, don't give away info about your seller, like what cities they're shipping from. WTF?
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This is a nice thread.
Thx JR!
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Does anybody know it there is some kind of world wide database that is accessible to anyone working at the post that contains everyone's address's that have been flagged?
I have never posted anything international so I'm unsure on the process but say you have been using the same name to the same address for quite some time. When sending something international, do they input the details of where the letter you are sending is going on a computer and if your flagged, upon them entering in the letters details, would it recognize that the address on the outgoing letter contains the same details as your flagged address in the system? Could this kind of thing be used to stop it in it's tracks before it even gets to leave it's country of origin ?
I have been pondering this a lot lately, having a bit of trouble getting things through.. These bastards won't win the war! :/
I'm probably completely wrong but it's worth asking :)
Cheers
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Does anybody know it there is some kind of world wide database that is accessible to anyone working at the post that contains everyone's address's that have been flagged?
I have never posted anything international so I'm unsure on the process but say you have been using the same name to the same address for quite some time. When sending something international, do they input the details of where the letter you are sending is going on a computer and if your flagged, upon them entering in the letters details, would it recognize that the address on the outgoing letter contains the same details as your flagged address in the system? Could this kind of thing be used to stop it in it's tracks before it even gets to leave it's country of origin ?
I have been pondering this a lot lately, having a bit of trouble getting things through.. These bastards won't win the war! :/
I'm probably completely wrong but it's worth asking :)
Cheers
Yes, some inside knowledge of Aussie customs and mail procedures would be fantastic!
PsydwayZ makes a good point about what kind of database they use to flag incoming international mail.
Maybe someone with some inside knowledge may be lurking?
Australian Customs and AQIS are huge government employer's and they do try to "weed" out the potential drug user's from getting a job there, but there must be some of us inside the matrix!
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Further, coming from someone who may or may not be a lawyer, I can tell you that Ms. Reno's advice to sign an affidavit of confession at the time of a controlled delivery is EXACTLY the kind of advice that undercover LE would want to spread. The notion that your "cooperating" by not envoking your Miranda rights will somehow get you treated less harshly by law enforcement is a COMPLETE AND UTTER FARCE. If you are EVER confronted by law enforcement, your first question should be "am I under arrest or otherwise detained?" If the answer is "no," then you LEAVE. If they are on your property you tell them POLITELY "in that case, Sir (or Madam), I have to ask you to leave at this time." If the answer is "YES" then you should ask WHICH it is, i.e., whether you are under arrest, or whether it's a detainment. If you're under arrest and you had to ask before they told you, they are SOL because they've violated your basic constitutional rights. This does NOT mean you can now do / say whatever you want. You still STFU and tell them that you would like to respectfully invoke your Miranda right to remain silent and to be represented by an attorney. If you are simply detained, you STILL STFU and tell them that you do not feel comfortable giving any statements or answering any questions without first being represented by an attorney.
+1 on that!! make them prove you beyond a reasonable doubt! once you are arrested, invoke your miranda rights and shut the fuck up!! Just in case ya'll didn't know, once you are under arrest, you have the right to remain silent, but the right to counsel attaches when you have been charged with the offense!!! So even if you invoke your rights after arrest but before you were charged, you will not be invoking right to counsel. No matter how many time those fuckers ask you to waive your rights, don't do it!! Invoke them, shut up, don't say anything, get fucking lawyer!!! a competent attorney will help you MUCH MORE than those fucking pigs ever will! We have important constitutional rights, and it's very important we make the pigs abide by them. Make them waste a lot of money prosecuting you! make it hard on them by giving them absolutely no evidence!!!
ps, i don't think OP is LE, but i do think that he should look into learning about the 4th, 5th, 6th and 14th amendment :) (you all should read up on that shit too, it's kind of important stuff to know :D)/raaaaant
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Any idea if UPS/Fedex is worse/better than USPS? for in country shipping, half ounce or less.
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Worse, fedex/UPS does not need a warrant to open your mail, USPS does. USPS also sees a lot more mail traffic, so it's easier for your pack to blend in.
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Further, coming from someone who may or may not be a lawyer, I can tell you that Ms. Reno's advice to sign an affidavit of confession at the time of a controlled delivery is EXACTLY the kind of advice that undercover LE would want to spread. The notion that your "cooperating" by not envoking your Miranda rights will somehow get you treated less harshly by law enforcement is a COMPLETE AND UTTER FARCE. If you are EVER confronted by law enforcement, your first question should be "am I under arrest or otherwise detained?" If the answer is "no," then you LEAVE. If they are on your property you tell them POLITELY "in that case, Sir (or Madam), I have to ask you to leave at this time." If the answer is "YES" then you should ask WHICH it is, i.e., whether you are under arrest, or whether it's a detainment. If you're under arrest and you had to ask before they told you, they are SOL because they've violated your basic constitutional rights. This does NOT mean you can now do / say whatever you want. You still STFU and tell them that you would like to respectfully invoke your Miranda right to remain silent and to be represented by an attorney. If you are simply detained, you STILL STFU and tell them that you do not feel comfortable giving any statements or answering any questions without first being represented by an attorney.
+1 on that!! make them prove you beyond a reasonable doubt! once you are arrested, invoke your miranda rights and shut the fuck up!! Just in case ya'll didn't know, once you are under arrest, you have the right to remain silent, but the right to counsel attaches when you have been charged with the offense!!! So even if you invoke your rights after arrest but before you were charged, you will not be invoking right to counsel. No matter how many time those fuckers ask you to waive your rights, don't do it!! Invoke them, shut up, don't say anything, get fucking lawyer!!! a competent attorney will help you MUCH MORE than those fucking pigs ever will! We have important constitutional rights, and it's very important we make the pigs abide by them. Make them waste a lot of money prosecuting you! make it hard on them by giving them absolutely no evidence!!!
ps, i don't think OP is LE, but i do think that he should look into learning about the 4th, 5th, 6th and 14th amendment :) (you all should read up on that shit too, it's kind of important stuff to know :D)/raaaaant
+1+1!!
I was a very successful attorney before I retired to become a rentier. ;)
Never, ever, ever . . . EVER talk to LE (at least in the US). Don't answer any question other than to provide your name (as in many states in the US, you can be required to give that). Not the time of day, not where you were going, nothing. Provide your name, then state politely that you just don't want to talk, and ask if you are free to go. Then walk away. Do not resist with force, do not be rude, just ask if you are free to go. If you are further detained, LE can pat you down to look for weapons (if he feels a bag of weed in your pocket, he can't take that out unless he can convince the court that he had a reasonable suspicion that it was a weapon.
But at the point of actual detention, simply state that it is your policy not to speak with LE without an attorney present - I actually say, "Look, it's not personal, and I know you have a tough job, but it's my personal policy not to answer questions from law enforcement." After all, if you're going to get arrested, this is where it's going anyway. Nothing you say is going to make LE let you go. They see a world where everyone is a potential criminal and view every encounter that way.
Don't answer any questions. But don't take it from some anonymous noob on the internet, there is a wealth of (US) info about this available on the internet. Heck, just start with the ACLU. Also, don't answer any questions.
Alsoalso, don't answer any questions.
ETA: this link has a couple of good videos: http://www.coziahr.com/2008/08/dont-ever-ever-talk-to-police-ever.php
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Hi all-
I just wanted to offer my knowledge and insight if you have any questions about how the Postal Inspectors operate. I was an intern with the Postal Inspectors for 9 months at an office in a major coastal city that processed very large volumes of mail, domestic and international (their offices were inside the actual Post Office downtown). I do not want to reveal the city but I'm happy to answer just about anything else. Feel free to pick my brain.
And no, I did not go into any law enforcement career.
..apologies if this has already been answered, but i got thru a no of pages and didnt think the question had been asked, but:
why the career choice of Postal inspector and how is it you ended up here?
otherwise good info...if you are who you say you are...
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From spending too much time in pubs I can surmise that the majority of posties, round my manor at least, take the job so that they can knock off at lunchtime and start drinking. Just saying...
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That is when they arent busy stealing people's drugs and birthday money.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8946253/Postal-worker-Stephan-Brooks-caught-stealing-penis-enlargement-pills.html
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8946253/Postal-worker-Stephan-Brooks-caught-stealing-penis-enlargement-pills.html
Sentenced to 2 days of work under surveillance LOL
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I was just wondering if the postal service is slower around the holidays. It might sound like a stupid question, but one of my orders was shipped on a Thursday and I received it on Monday. This time, it was shipped last Wednesday (from the same vendor) but it has still not arrived. Is this normal or should I begin to cut my losses? Thanks!
TulipSniper
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Small, personal amounts of drugs were usually removed and sent to the drug vault, and the letter/package re-sealed and delivered to the recipient with a letter saying that the shipment was illegal and the contraband removed.
Such a long thread!
It may have already been asked but does this mean that if someone were ordering a pill or two (less than $100) of MDMA chances are they wouldn't need to be worried about LE showing up?
It's only for bulk orders or repeat offenders?
Also, are dogs the only/primary means of searching for contraband?
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It may have already been asked but does this mean that if someone were ordering a pill or two (less than $100) of MDMA chances are they wouldn't need to be worried about LE showing up?
Likelihood they'll find it is low. MDMA just looks like random pills until it gets to the lab. Not smellable by dog.
Also, are dogs the only/primary means of searching for contraband?
Nope. X-ray too. Not routinely done though.
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Likelihood they'll find it is low. MDMA just looks like random pills until it gets to the lab. Not smellable by dog.
Sorry dude, but MDMA is definitely smellable by dogs. Trust me.
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yeah it is..
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1556-4029.2011.01854.x/full
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"Availability of Target Odor Compounds from Seized Ecstasy Tablets for Canine Detection"
I'm guessing the "target odor compounds" are not actual mdma salts.
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piperonal, iso, the phenylacetone and alcohol, but most seized samples have these in..
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piperonal, iso, the phenylacetone and alcohol, but most seized samples have these in..
Doh, should've thought of that. My mistake.
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If I were to purchase laboratory glassware, despite that it may be legal to purchase, would a chemistry set or even large single pieces of glassware raise suspicion? That is, if it should be chosen, for whatever reason, to be looked at.
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Okay, first, in the quoted post, you state that you have never been taken on a controlled delivery. However, in your post here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=346.msg1904#msg1904
you state:
"Your last question is harder for me to answer because once the package is alerted on by a dog and xrayed to confirm possible contraband, the inspectors get a warrant and go through a lengthy process of discreetly opening it (documenting it with video or still photos all the way) in such a way that will allow them to repackage it for a controlled delivery, if they decide to make one. I was only present for a few of those so I didn't see a lot of how the packages looked when they were first opened."
So which is it? Were you present at a a "few" controlled deliveries, or were you never present at a controlled delivery? Why would you state one thing at one point, and another thing at another? Being present on a few controlled deliveries isn't exactly the kind of thing you "forget."
I don't think JR has contradicted himself. If you read carefully you'll see that he never said that he was present in a controlled delivery but that he was present at the package opening and repackaging prior to the controlled delivery. His point was that he wasn't present at a lot of them, so he "didn't see a lot of how the packages looked when they were first opened". It's not in an actual controlled delivery that he would be able to see the look of unopened package but in the post office upon interception of the package.
As for the afidavit story, I don't know who's right but even if he's wrong it doesn't make him LEO: he never said he was a lawyer.
I don't know in the US, but in my country co-operating when you're clearly in your wrong on a drug-related matter with the custom ppl can let you off the hook with only a fine (depends on the drug and the quantity of course), whereas being a smartass will lead you to court for sure, which will be much more expensive and time-consuming...
Finally, you would be nice not to insult the guy who brought the f*ing most interesting topic that i've found so far on this forum! As with everything we find here, we need to process through our critical mind; everything he said was backed-up with enough reasoning so that you can make up your own mind according to your personal situation...
Like about using or not fake names... hell i'm pretty sure that i've read somewhere in the official SR guidelines that you SHOULD be using a fake name... I would like to add just a small detail to that matter by the way that no one's brought up I think in this thread: if you're known by the police for prior arrests or anything, I think it may be a good idea to use a fake name as your name may be flagged... just make sure that you have a decent story for this identity, with a consistent mailing activity for your mailman and your neighbours, and make extensive tests to make sure that mail can be delivered prior to placing your first order...
A last thought about fake names: if you receive stuff to your real name you can always say that you don't know anything about it, but if you receive stuff to a fake name and you end up in an interrogation room, try to anticipate for how long you are able to make this identity live! why is this guy's name on your mailbox? where did you meet him? how do you get in contact with him? do you have him on facebook? do you have him on your mobile phone? When is last time you talked to him on the phone? If you can't answer any of this questions it won't look good...
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another last thought: i've seen this link previously posted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
It's very interesting indeed, but should we trust lawyers? What they want is us in court so that they can have a job. Again i'm no expert in US law, but there may be ways without court and without lawyers for small time offenses, but they won't tell you about it...
I don't know if this last remarks applies to USA coz let's be honest guys, you do love attacking ppl and going to court and lawyer up and all lol! But everyone should make sure they know how it works in their own country...
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It's called amicable settlement and i think it's also possible in USA. I would love to know how that works out with you using your right to remain silent!
The lawyers will tell you that they can negotiate it for you, but sometimes paying for a lawyer will be more expensive that the fine itself!
FYI, in my country, the fine is about 5 to 7 times the commercial value of the seized drugs/ contraband.
Any law expert?
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Never, ever, ever . . . EVER talk to LE (at least in the US). Don't answer any question.....
Don't answer any questions. ..... Also, don't answer any questions. ...
also, don't answer any questions.
In case you missed Tiglath's point .....Just remember three simple rules when dealing with police (in US)
#1 don't speak
#2shut up
#3 keep yer mouth shut
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From spending too much time in pubs I can surmise that the majority of posties, round my manor at least, take the job so that they can knock off at lunchtime and start drinking. Just saying...
sounds about right....
Ive had a friend mail stuff to a campus no problems, it was actually about a QP of nugget
honestly it all comes down to how well it was packaged and how not sketched out you are when picking it up just be excited and happy go lucky, they have no idea what you are doing and the more sketched you are the more of a red flag it will raise
Just understand that your doing something wrong so the feeling of that is going to obviously churn your stomach but just get by the first time and it will be like nothing the second/third/fourth. its all as sketchy as you make it, so if your a person who cant do it with confidence i wouldnt do it at all
Well, these seem to sum up the 5 pages of nonsense to me.
People are paranoid as fuck.
Won't ever change.
Grow some balls.
Make a decision. ;)
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Dear Janet,
if your name and packages are being watched (because of previous packages seized), do you have a legal right to be informed of that ? Say, can i call whoever I have to call and ask them if I'm being watched ?
I know this may sound naive, but i felt like asking. I don't think they would tell me, right ? And if so, it would be self-incriminating to do so ?
I would like to hear an answer to this question. Where is Janet Reno?
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in prison =O
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Dear Janet,
if your name and packages are being watched (because of previous packages seized), do you have a legal right to be informed of that ? Say, can i call whoever I have to call and ask them if I'm being watched ?
I know this may sound naive, but i felt like asking. I don't think they would tell me, right ? And if so, it would be self-incriminating to do so ?
I would like to hear an answer to this question. Where is Janet Reno?
I think if you called them and asked if you were being watched they would start watching you :)
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^^^^ This don't ask questions that raise questions.
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I have a question, I know fake names are bad, but would it be a good idea to have something sent to my address under the name of the previous resident?
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...I know fake names are bad, but would it be a good idea to have something sent to my address under the name of the previous resident?
Have you received any non-junk mail addressed to the previous resident? If not, their mail forwarding may still be in effect. (The duration of forwarding, if any, could vary widely but three to twelve months would be my guess.)
You may want to perform a test using a parcel roughly resembling what you anticipate your vendor will use for your purchases. For example, a bubble-pack mailing envelope containing a few crumpled up tissues could approximate a gram or two of bud closely enough. Using a printed address label -- as most sellers do -- might add a bit more realism. Mail and return-address it from a postal zone different from your own, if possible. After that, if the test package doesn't show up it's likely your purchases won't either (at least until the forwarding expires).
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I have a question about sending mail, and the return address.
Hw far away can the return address be from the post office of origination before it raises suspicion
Like if its 1 state away, if its a few towns away, if its 200 miles away from the post office, where is the suspicion level red flag raised
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I have a question about sending mail, and the return address.
Hw far away can the return address be from the post office of origination before it raises suspicion
Like if its 1 state away, if its a few towns away, if its 200 miles away from the post office, where is the suspicion level red flag raised
Stupid question. Same country=No suspicion. Unless it's coming out of a drug state (California).
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doublemint, thats not what I asked
Im asking about when a package is first delivered and enters the postal system, if the return address is too far away from this post office, will it raise eyebrows.
Is the return address ever looked at or inspected if its domestic package
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great thread thanks
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doublemint, thats not what I asked
Im asking about when a package is first delivered and enters the postal system, if the return address is too far away from this post office, will it raise eyebrows.
Is the return address ever looked at or inspected if its domestic package
Oh. Good question. No the post office understands that people go on vacations, etc.
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This thread could/should be cleaned up into a FAQ and stickied.
I cant believe someone would have mail sent to a fake name, to a friends address, at an apartment complex.. I cant believe people will have mail sent to anyone other than themselves. Why would you involve your own mother or brother in the risk because you dont want to get caught? Thats called being a snitch or rat where I come from. Not wanting to take the blame is one thing, but pawning it off on someone else? thats low..
Some good advice here if you can sift through. one point I think people are missing is that no matter what efforts you have put in place on your end, if your package looks or smells like drugs, your efforts are basically in vein. Its not your local mail sorters job to assume drug enforcement responsibility,they assume someone else is getting paid for that. 99% of the time, if the package has made it to your post office without suspicion,you're good to go.Leaving the package in the mailbox is not going to help anything except detection and evidence of guilt. The suspicion and resulting pursuance have started long ago.
Fake names are flat out stupid in 99.9% of circumstances. Pick a seller who knows exactly what he's doing! You can have mail sent anywhere, to your workplace that employs 500 people. If they want to come after the buyer, they will. Drug dogs are indiscriminant of address labels.
One thing many people seem to hint at is the issue of mailboxes that receive nothing but illegals... why would the only mail you get be illegals? Thats going to be a red flag if packages come from the same location, over and over.. Or the fact you suddenly need a new mailbox to receive large amounts of packages you never needed before in your life... Order more stuff online; make sure all your packages dont end up looking the same. Someone in the local office might question what your business is, whether its suspicion of drugs, tax evasion, or whatever else. It doesnt matter, your main line of defense at the local office is making the mail blend in with the rest you normally get.
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But what are you going to do, never accept delivery of any packages?
When you talk about these controlled deliveries, and either accepting or not accepting packages, do you mean that they are bringing the package to the door, knocking and trying to get an actual hand-off? Because, obviously, that's not normal mail delivery. I would never accept USPS like that. UPS comes to the door, USPS goes to the mail box.
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Dude- excellent and fascinating thread... I appreciate the insight. I'm feeling okay from my end as I have my business mail sent to my residence and PO Box, so I can split them up if needed. and I do enough buying from eBay and Amazon on a regular basis that it'll be mixed right in. I guess I really have to worry about the sender-side of things and if they're being targeted. But otherwise, I feel pretty good.
You rule! thanks! 0_o
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Hey janetreno, interesting thread - thanks for taking the time.
In your experience, what kind of treatment do packages get as evidence? Are they put through any routine operations regardless of the size or kind of contraband intercepted? I.e., photographing, cataloging of any kind, fingerprinting, etc... I'd assume that the kilo of heroin gets a more thorough treatment than the little bag of ecstasy, but how much more thorough?
Are you aware of any information-sharing agreements outside of the standard drug-enforcement stuff? Do postal inspectors talk to each other internationally in regular circumstances?
Have you ever followed any cases to the end, as in, seen anyone busted for sending sketchy things through the mail?
If a package suspected of containing drugs is intercepted, ....
There is a good deal of international cooperation, but it depends heavily on the country of origin (where the package was sent from). I've never been taken on a controlled delivery so I can't say I've ever seen one go down in person. I have seen the busted people in court though, and witnessed testimony from the inspectors during the trial.
Postal Inspectors are very intelligent, educated, and highly compensated law enforcement officers. This isn't your fat, unshaven mailman who got a promotion. Do not underestimate them.
Okay, first, in the quoted post, you state that you have never been taken on a controlled delivery. However, in your post here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=346.msg1904#msg1904
you state:
"Your last question is harder for me to answer because once the package is alerted on by a dog and xrayed to confirm possible contraband, the inspectors get a warrant and go through a lengthy process of discreetly opening it (documenting it with video or still photos all the way) in such a way that will allow them to repackage it for a controlled delivery, if they decide to make one. I was only present for a few of those so I didn't see a lot of how the packages looked when they were first opened."
So which is it? Were you present at a a "few" controlled deliveries, or were you never present at a controlled delivery? Why would you state one thing at one point, and another thing at another? Being present on a few controlled deliveries isn't exactly the kind of thing you "forget."
For those too busy to read, in one post Ms. Reno states:
"... controlled delivery if they decide to make one. I was only present for a few of these ..."
and in a later one she states
"... I've never been taken on a controlled delivery so I can't ..."
Whether or not this entire thread is BS, we know there is SOME BS here, and we have no way of knowing what is BS and what isn't.
Further, coming from someone who may or may not be a lawyer, I can tell you that Ms. Reno's advice to sign an affidavit of confession at the time of a controlled delivery is EXACTLY the kind of advice that undercover LE would want to spread. The notion that your "cooperating" by not envoking your Miranda rights will somehow get you treated less harshly by law enforcement is a COMPLETE AND UTTER FARCE. If you are EVER confronted by law enforcement, your first question should be "am I under arrest or otherwise detained?" If the answer is "no," then you LEAVE. If they are on your property you tell them POLITELY "in that case, Sir (or Madam), I have to ask you to leave at this time." If the answer is "YES" then you should ask WHICH it is, i.e., whether you are under arrest, or whether it's a detainment. If you're under arrest and you had to ask before they told you, they are SOL because they've violated your basic constitutional rights. This does NOT mean you can now do / say whatever you want. You still STFU and tell them that you would like to respectfully invoke your Miranda right to remain silent and to be represented by an attorney. If you are simply detained, you STILL STFU and tell them that you do not feel comfortable giving any statements or answering any questions without first being represented by an attorney.
HEADS UP PEOPLE, there is a NON-ZERO CHANCE Reno is LEO. Just because he/she has given some information that may be true, that does not mean that he/she is not LEO. The contradiction regarding being present on controlled deliveries makes me believe he/she is a BSer at least to a certain extent, and the advice regarding signing an affidavit makes me believe he/she is LEO and/or VERY STUPID, and in either case NOTHING he/she has written should be trusted or given any weight.
You need to read the whole thread and quit trying to cal someone out thats trying to help out.. totally ignorant posts as this is prbably what made JR bored of this thread in the 1st place.. JR was talking about 2 totally different situations ..
i know this thread is old .. but still good info..
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Retaliating to 7-8 month old text, I like it :P
Yes good thread though. Do will still have an inspector here who can answer questions?
I wonder if an envelop is exposed containing contraband, will all the similar envelopes from specific origin be inspected?
Eg, after this crazy weekend (sending lots of mail), what should the vendors keep in mind to minimize the risk.
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doublemint, thats not what I asked
Im asking about when a package is first delivered and enters the postal system, if the return address is too far away from this post office, will it raise eyebrows.
Is the return address ever looked at or inspected if its domestic package
Oh. Good question. No the post office understands that people go on vacations, etc.
no it actually is a flag
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...the last time the postal service intern aka janetreno posted on this thread was 08-08-2011....have you all been talking to yourselves?!
:P
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i read the entire thing, and regardless if the OP is gone or not this is still a great thread, and i'd rather post my questions here instead of starting multiple new threads in the hopes someone else might have the answers...
1. the OP states multiple times that dogs are used to sniff packages randomly, before any reasonable suspicion was established, yet i was under the impression that dogs couldnt be called in to sniff a package unless there was already reasonable suspicion? (at least domestically)
[from another thread here..somewhere...]
(1) United States v. Hill, 701 F. Supp. 1522 (D.C.Kan. 1988). (2) The U.S. Postal Service's Administrative Support Manual (ASM), Section 274.31, disallows any mail sealed against inspection (i.e., First-Class, Express Mail) to be detained, even for a dog sniff, with very few exceptions. ASM 274.31 (a) notes that "a Postal Inspector acting diligently and without avoidable delay, upon reasonable suspicion, for a brief period of time [may detain a piece of mail] to assemble sufficient evidence to satisfy the probable-cause requirement for a search warrant, and to apply for, obtain, and execute the warrant." Therefore, reasonable suspicion must exist before the mail can be detained.
2. is a federal warrant still required to open mail 'before' a package enters the system? i.e, say while in a car or otherwise in transit to drop, say, a priority envelope, with full postage already attached, into a blue box?
3. anyone know how often tracking beacons are used as opposed to a stake-out? no federal agency is going to waste weeks of man power for a stake-out on a PO box containing a personal amount. and shouldnt one theoretically be able to use a small hand-held metal detector to find such a beacon before opening the package and then know to ditch it asap? assuming that the beacon isnt made of all plastic, x-men Magneto style?
4. and how often do they really track or write down either return addys to verify their validaty? that would be "extremely" time consuming on the behalf of the USPS no considering the shear volume of mail accepted daily? especially considering the massive budget cuts and the 250+ sort facility closures this year? which is why DCN's are just scanned for DC and contain no actual address documentation no? is it even something to be concerned about in reality, unless you are already under investigation of course?
5. although i do have a feeling they do note 'something'. last year, after a few random drops of cash in person to a PO in a west coast city, i was told by a USPS counter worker that i would "lose my ability to be anonymous" for some reason i cant remember. even though she was smiling about it to me, i nonetheless never used that post office again...!! so they might track "something" since i used the same fake return name, and the same "very real" return addy. (an apartment complex without the unit #)...just a bit sketchy, no? ;)
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How many days in U.S. customs is too many? Is there ever a point where the package has sat around so long in customs that it's no longer safe to accept?
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1. the OP states multiple times that dogs are used to sniff packages randomly, before any reasonable suspicion was established, yet i was under the impression that dogs couldnt be called in to sniff a package unless there was already reasonable suspicion? (at least domestically)
They can use dogs all they want.
2. is a federal warrant still required to open mail 'before' a package enters the system? i.e, say while in a car or otherwise in transit to drop, say, a priority envelope, with full postage already attached, into a blue box?
No. But a cop would need your permission or a warrant to open it. or probable cause.
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...the last time the postal service intern aka janetreno posted on this thread was 08-08-2011....have you all been talking to yourselves?!
:P
LOL!! ;D
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i have a friend who is letting me get a 250 pack of pills sent to his dads apt, but his dad is cool and won't care my friend just doesn't want to worry him ahead of time.
we are going to get it sent it to his address and just change the first name. so it will be a name kind of similiar to his son's real name, who has probably gotten mail there before, but our theory is that the mail man won't be suspect because he will think its a famly member. But the package is coming from India, and we want it to be a package that doesn't have to be signed for. Can we get it sent to the fake first name and not have to sign for it, and if they try to bust him he can just say you know my name is this, not that on the package, i don't know what the hell it is, must have been some sort of mix up. or do you think they'll bust the package cuz its a slightly different name from another country. what are your thoughts on this method, and possible reprecussions if they did want to do a controlled delivery? and how could they do a controlled delivery of an envelope if it wasn't a real name of someone that lived at the address? could anything hold up in court? he has no records of anything on his computer at his dad's apartment, im doing everything from my computer in a city 3 hours away.
please JANET answer this question if you can, anyone elses is opinion is valued as well though.
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It's a shame that JR disappeared because (s)he provided some very interesting information and insights.
Sorry to repeat something that others have said before but cooperating with the police in the states seems not to be a good idea. Plea bargains, from what I understand, can still be worked out after you've kept quiet and waited for your lawyer.
I would like to reference the story of Eleusis from some years back ( https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/eleusis/memoirs.html ) who most definitely screwed himself by cooperating and giving the police permission to raid his apartment after chemicals were intercepted going to his folks house. He thought that after having cooperated he would be rewarded with a lower sentence, didn't quite work out like that and he ended up getting pretty close to the maximum sentence for his little escapades.
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GreenMonster-
inform your friends dad of your plans before anything.
If he agrees to doing it, use his real name, make that fucker look legit, that's about all you can do.
ggg
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It's a shame that JR disappeared because (s)he provided some very interesting information and insights.
- its a little suspicious, an intern at the postal service...suddenly finds herself using Tor and on SR forum -what to provide advice?! -and then
disappears ?! in fact I asked previously "why the career change.." (from postal intern...assuming she actually was involved in whats been posted here...) -to buying drugs on SR, don't remember seeing a reply?!
Or how about we signup as Cpl popo, bust some dealers and then sign up on SR to provide advice "...i can help you evade the law..." and then
disappear...?! -sound familar?!
??
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This is the most comforting thread I have seen yet. Don't sign for anything, ever, and you will be ok it seems?
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It's a shame that JR disappeared because (s)he provided some very interesting information and insights.
- its a little suspicious, an intern at the postal service...suddenly finds herself using Tor and on SR forum -what to provide advice?! -and then
disappears ?! in fact I asked previously "why the career change.." (from postal intern...assuming she actually was involved in whats been posted here...) -to buying drugs on SR, don't remember seeing a reply?!
Or how about we signup as Cpl popo, bust some dealers and then sign up on SR to provide advice "...i can help you evade the law..." and then
disappear...?! -sound familar?!
??
Yes, it is odd, LE could easily run a disinformation campaign here and tell us the easiest way to get your shit through is to put a red cross on your packages... best thing for vendors should be to vary packages and do everything carefully so as not to leave dna or prints anywhere.
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- most def, and whilst everyone is chatting away getting info the other is taking intel notes of your concerns which if they are LE would
probably turn it against yourselves, hence why i am one step ahead suspicious by default....hehe
i may be wrong here, but then where's janetreno...?!
- and there are similar threads right ?! without mentioning them they could've straight off a survey of 1-20 questions?!
keep safe..
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No - you're wrong. Read the thread again, this time PAY ATTENTION. She offered sincere insights, and clearly had some helpful inside knowledge.
She didn't answer your ? about the career change? You caught her! Well done man! LOL. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!
Did you even read the thread? What would be the angle? What mis-information did she pass along? She pretty clearly stated that there is always a risk, that controlled deliveries CAN and DO occur, and that PIs are intelligent, diligent, and not to be underestimated.
She stated nothing will guarantee your packages get through, that even vacuum sealing isn't 100%. Most of what she said we already knew, suspected, or made sense logically - but she clarified things, quite a bit. And you reward her with suspicion?
I see a lot of posts like this, but this one doesn't make of lot of sense - any sense.
- its a little susp
Actually, it's not suspicious at all.
And who said she just started using Tor and SR? Apart from you, that is. That's not for us to know, no way of knowing, speculation is pointless.
what to provide advice?! -and then
disappears ?! in fact I asked previously "why the career change.." (from postal intern...assuming she actually was involved in whats been posted here...) -to buying drugs on SR, don't remember seeing a reply?
Review the thread before posting, she stopped replying in August, she answered a TON of questions, and for reasons we don't know stopped, but that isn't suspicious either. Do you still do everything you ever did?
Oh - she stopped replying to ?'s in August, 2011, you posted your ? in December of 2011, like 4 pages after she stopped replying. So no - she didn't reply, I'm not even sure why you bothered posting, after all the decent advice she offered I don't know why she would've replied to your post anyway, honestly.
Or how about we signup as Cpl popo, bust some dealers and then sign up on SR to provide advice "...i can help you evade the law..." and then
disappear...?! -sound familar?!
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Cpl popo? *shakes head*
wtf are you typing about? she offered no advice regarding helping EVADE the law . . .
The fact she stopped replying in the thread, 10 pages in, seems irrelevant. I'm sure you're upset she didn't stick around forever, who wouldn't be, but go back and read every one of her posts, you'll see what you said makes no sense.
wtf
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Hi all-
I just wanted to offer my knowledge and insight if you have any questions about how the Postal Inspectors operate. I was an intern with the Postal Inspectors for 9 months at an office in a major coastal city that processed very large volumes of mail, domestic and international (their offices were inside the actual Post Office downtown). I do not want to reveal the city but I'm happy to answer just about anything else. Feel free to pick my brain.
And no, I did not go into any law enforcement career.
Well, considering the fact that you're on SR's message board after having been an intern Postal Inspector, you must have some confidence in SR's anonymity. If you wanted to make a purchase or sell an item, in order to remain as anonymous as possible, how would you go about doing it? What are the steps you would take in order to decrease the possibility of you getting caught, both as buyer and seller?
I think SR's setup is quite safe, relatively speaking. It is certainly safer than dealing with drug dealers in person most of the time. I've made purchases already on SR and each one has worked out well thus far. I don't have mail sent to fake names at my address- that is something the mailman might notice. I only purchase "personal use" amounts to minimize my risk even if I do get a controlled delivery. One thing you can do as a buyer is purchase a shelf company for a few hundred bucks, and then have the drugs sent to your business name at whichever address you use. Then you don't have to give any name at all to a seller and businesses receive all kinds of packages on a regular basis, so that kind of activity won't look so out of place.
Sellers need to be careful what physical evidence, particularly fingerprints, is left behind inside the packages they send out. Nothing leaking outside the packages, no smell of drugs or common masking agents (coffee grounds are a particularly bad idea), and no video of them dropping off the package somewhere. I don't want to give away the best methods for sellers because I like my shit getting through screening without issues. :)
You don't want to give away the best methods for sellers because you like your shit getting through screening without issues?
So what's the point of this thread? It seems like you've told us pretty much everything. Except "the best." And then one might draw the inferrence that by telling us these things, it might make the "shit [get through screening with issues]"...
I just don't see the point of saying that these techniques work less effectively once you state them on this message board. Could you explain what you mean by "the best methods?"
Thank you kindly.
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You don't want to give away the best methods for sellers because you like your shit getting through screening without issues?
So what's the point of this thread? It seems like you've told us pretty much everything. Except "the best." And then one might draw the inferrence that by telling us these things, it might make the "shit [get through screening with issues]"...
I just don't see the point of saying that these techniques work less effectively once you state them on this message board. Could you explain what you mean by "the best methods?"
Thank you kindly.
Uhh, I think she's saying she isn't going to lay out line by line how to make the package so that LE (who read this), will know exactly what to look for and she will no longer get her product. She told us no-nos and what to watch out for, that's the best she can do.
I think you need a xanax man.
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No - you're wrong. Read the thread again, this time PAY ATTENTION. She offered sincere insights, and clearly had some helpful inside knowledge.
She didn't answer your ? about the career change? You caught her! Well done man! LOL. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!
Did you even read the thread? What would be the angle? What mis-information did she pass along? She pretty clearly stated that there is always a risk, that controlled deliveries CAN and DO occur, and that PIs are intelligent, diligent, and not to be underestimated.
She stated nothing will guarantee your packages get through, that even vacuum sealing isn't 100%. Most of what she said we already knew, suspected, or made sense logically - but she clarified things, quite a bit. And you reward her with suspicion?
I see a lot of posts like this, but this one doesn't make of lot of sense - any sense.
- its a little susp
Actually, it's not suspicious at all.
And who said she just started using Tor and SR? Apart from you, that is. That's not for us to know, no way of knowing, speculation is pointless.
what to provide advice?! -and then
disappears ?! in fact I asked previously "why the career change.." (from postal intern...assuming she actually was involved in whats been posted here...) -to buying drugs on SR, don't remember seeing a reply?
Review the thread before posting, she stopped replying in August, she answered a TON of questions, and for reasons we don't know stopped, but that isn't suspicious either. Do you still do everything you ever did?
Oh - she stopped replying to ?'s in August, 2011, you posted your ? in December of 2011, like 4 pages after she stopped replying. So no - she didn't reply, I'm not even sure why you bothered posting, after all the decent advice she offered I don't know why she would've replied to your post anyway, honestly.
Or how about we signup as Cpl popo, bust some dealers and then sign up on SR to provide advice "...i can help you evade the law..." and then
disappear...?! -sound familar?!
??
Cpl popo? *shakes head*
wtf are you typing about? she offered no advice regarding helping EVADE the law . . .
The fact she stopped replying in the thread, 10 pages in, seems irrelevant. I'm sure you're upset she didn't stick around forever, who wouldn't be, but go back and read every one of her posts, you'll see what you said makes no sense.
wtf
I may be wrong but some of the advice went beyond what a postal inspector should be able to advise on, re confessing to the LEOs when you get caught: yes there may be benefits if they are just looking to "roll up" from you to higher up distributors, but if you have little info to give or they are actually looking for a bust with arrest to increase their stats then you might fuck yourself by fessing up to whatever you've been up to. The position of most people on SR is that talking with LE is a big no no and you are generally better off following the line of "No comment. Lawyer." and leaving it there.
Eleusis fucked himself after LE intercepted precursors going to his folks home, if he'd kept quiet he probably would have gotten away with cooking up mdma, by talking he didn't get any reduction in penalty, then again he was a producer and there was no one to snitch on, top of chain is either going to the bank or jail.
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- no, we don't know why she disappeared hence the point of my posting because working as an intern @usps (whatever..), commenting she bought some stuff here...and inbetween providing advice and all comments it stops?!; and no i'm not going to read 17 pages to find out.
working as an intern / or postoffice:
1. i've got nothing against with this choice of career...i understand that you've got to take "what you can" within reason to survive..
2. maybe janetreno had little choice to be placed in that particular one whether that involved searching packages or not...i really couldn't say....dunno
- not posting since august doesn't say she isn't reading the thread..i don't have to post on every page to still be interested in a thread?!
i personally don't reply / comment to every single point of view so you skip some..
i don't feel the need to shout down at every single post....everyone has a point of view..
some posts are outright aggressive, 4-letter worded, insensitive in the context of the original post -i skip those too...
my default view then was perhaps janetreno got bored with the conversations but was still around {....otherwise why buy on SR and disappear...?!}
- any further posts w/o attacking the person commenting are welcome if civilised debate is possible.
does this make a bit more sense when you put yourself in someone else's position?!
8)
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I agree we should all remain objective as possible, we have no clue who anyone really is. We were given great info, but we must stay on our toes and be on the look out for the insidious nature of whomever is against us. To think that this someone who says who you think they are doesn't always warrant the truth. be safe
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If any postman knocks on your door for a signature, you should already know what time it is.
No one in their right mind would send their product with signature confirmation.
Just my 2 cents or pence or whatever the.......
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Hey man so im getting ready for some ordering but im paranoid even without no order. But ive got no past priors or anything but if it were the case that my stuff gets snatched what would be the best thing to do? Im just paranoid as fuck im telling ya man.
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fjords
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Hey man so im getting ready for some ordering but im paranoid even without no order. But ive got no past priors or anything but if it were the case that my stuff gets snatched what would be the best thing to do? Im just paranoid as fuck im telling ya man.
This is not for the faint of heart, as the saying goes "If you can't stand the heat, get out the kitchen". Cause they definitely are not gonna turn the burners down.
Without probable cause, they cant get a warrant. Having a package mailed to you from whomever does not extenuate probable cause. If the postman happens to come and try get a signature for the package, and you happen to sign for it, you're admitting your guilt. If anyone comes to your door and says they have a package for you, tell them straight up, that you dont except packages from people you dont know..
Other than that, fall back hit your head on something and relax, no risk no reward..
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The less time your package spends in the postal system, the better off you are.
Sounds like a great reason to express/overnite packages!
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Thread was a great read.
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thanks jr i basically read your replys and got exactly what i needed.
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Thanks Janetreno for this awesome post. Been reading lots of opinions on address used/shipping methods/ and all that jazz it has doubted my original curiosity and excitement in trying this whole SR out. But reading through all these posts and replies has been helpful. People on this forum can be very helpful.
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Would using lead foil around packages help against x-rays, or would the giant white blotch on the x-ray be a big red flag?
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Not meaning to hijack the thread, but as a Canadian, I enjoyed reading this one too, some good info as well.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=11469.msg106856#msg106856
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Not meaning to hijack the thread, but as a Canadian, I enjoyed reading this one too, some good info as well.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=11469.msg106856#msg106856
ChaxChax
thanks for that i missed it!
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Would using lead foil around packages help against x-rays, or would the giant white blotch on the x-ray be a big red flag?
Insta-red flag. The whole package would be a bright color and sent for a second look.
Seems like the main points here are:
*SUMMARY REMOVED FROM PRYING EYES*
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Thanks Janetreno for this awesome post. Been reading lots of opinions on address used/shipping methods/ and all that jazz it has doubted my original curiosity and excitement in trying this whole SR out. But reading through all these posts and replies has been helpful. People on this forum can be very helpful.
- long gone m8 page12 somewhere...(apparently..)
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2 Questions on this topic for anyone who may be knowlegeable: Only just got on the SR wagon recently, but have otherwise ordered chems from public RC vendors in UK and EU for delivery to AUS. My last 3 orders from reputable netherlands supplier (SenseAromatic) have not arrived. 2 of them were tracked and the NL post system never showed them going any further than initial announced/sorting. They never even registered as arruving in Australia. I therefore assumed that maybe customs picked them up straight off the plane before they were scanned at Aus border. Sensxe Aromatic issued a free reshipment and i used a diff name/address. That too didnt arrive and tracking showed the same thing. I find this all confusing that all of a sudden nothing is getting thru from NL, but i am still receiving packages ok fro UK. So my 1st question is, is it likely that Customs have figured out a 'signature' for these packages and now picks them up with high accuracy? LIke maybe straight off the plane there is 50 packages all bundled together with same envelope, courier labeling, stamps/tracking number sequence etc.? and straight away are flagged? This is the only explanation i can think of, other than the vendor actually not sending the package in the first place (but somehow they can announce a tracking number to the postal system- as the package never moved).
I havent received any love letters or helpful info from postal system about any of these packages. All i get back from them is 'They have no idea what went wrong or where it went. Netherlands says it left their shores, Australia denies it ever arrived'. That is the official response.
The annoying thing with these vendors is they dont ever answer specific questions about customs seizures etc. They claim 99% get through, but if you happen to not receive then it must have been 'lost', rather than seized.
Question 2. If customs seize a package with illegal contents, is your address and/or name then black listed? So dont ever use that address again if you suspect customs stopped your last shipment?
thanks in advance. peace
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q2 Well some.bloke i am not from aus, but in my country a address will be flagged if a package containing contraband is intercepted. So my guess is that you will need a new address.. I think Le works fairly similar around the world when it comes to things like this
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q2 Well some.bloke i am not from aus, but in my country a address will be flagged if a package containing contraband is intercepted. So my guess is that you will need a new address.. I think Le works fairly similar around the world when it comes to things like this
If you make the list large enough then LE will be forced to put a limiter on the database, creating a window for rotation of locations, or, more inevitably, LE laxxing all their policies due to shortage of funds. Finding drugs in the mail doesn't usually yield much money due to the amount of money it costs to discover the perpetrator.
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I never received a priority parcel shipped with DCN. USPS track showed the progress of and confrimed delivery.
So it's either postman thief, neighbor thief, delivered to wrong address who kept it thief or could it be this my new conspiracy theory?
Could someone at the post office, someone with a pal at the post office, or perhaps a clever hacker, tap into usps track and enter phony but plausable tracking and delivery history.
Since DCN delivery status pretty much puts the end to hopes of any resolution, this could make a seller quite rich.
Also, is a GPS location recorded when the postman scans the delivered package? It should match my address location within a few feet. Mine was scanned around 11 AM and I never get mail before before 1 or 2 PM. Maybe Mr. postman scanned it down by the river at coffee break and curiosity overcame him.
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Hey, OP, I happen to have a question that I've been meaning to get an answer to; did you happen to see any correlation between inspection and whether the package was being sent to a home address or a PO box?
Thanks.
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..any sign of jantreno, feel like you've been led down the garden path?!
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A package was sent from CO to NY via USPS Express Mail. Tracking showed that the package was processed through the USPS Sort Facility in NY and departed this USPS Sort Facility. There was no additional tracking information. After one month the package was not delivered and no letters from the USPS regarding the package were received. The sending address and ship to address were never used for contraband. The ship to address regularly receives mail.
A second package was sent from CO to NY via Priority Mail. This time, the package was sent from a different post office using a different sending address and a different ship to address in a different town. These new addresses were never used for contraband. The package was processed through the USPS Sort Facility in CO and departed this USPS Sort Facility. There was no additional tracking information. Once again the package was not delivered.
It appears that both packages were stopped in route. Once in NY and once in CO. Do you have any idea what happened to these two packages?
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A package was sent from CO to NY via USPS Express Mail. Tracking showed that the package was processed through the USPS Sort Facility in NY and departed this USPS Sort Facility. There was no additional tracking information. After one month the package was not delivered and no letters from the USPS regarding the package were received. The sending address and ship to address were never used for contraband. The ship to address regularly receives mail.
A second package was sent from CO to NY via Priority Mail. This time, the package was sent from a different post office using a different sending address and a different ship to address in a different town. These new addresses were never used for contraband. The package was processed through the USPS Sort Facility in CO and departed this USPS Sort Facility. There was no additional tracking information. Once again the package was not delivered.
It appears that both packages were stopped in route. Once in NY and once in CO. Do you have any idea what happened to these two packages?
Yeah we got them both right here. Both packages has mediocre mary jane, but it'll all good kid we disposed of all the evidence ;). Anyway keep them coming, we love packages that weren't sealed properly, so we can smoke that good shit, lol. Remember everyone drugs are bad, Mmmkay?
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hello hello
so I may have landed myself in a sticky situation and I am interested to hear what others think. I ordered a package from the UK and it was sent out on June 20th. At the same time, I ordered another package from Germany that arrived at my house six days later without any problems. This package from the UK though still has not arrived. Instead of auto-finalizing, I requested a two-week extension for the package to arrive. I thought the postal system was possibly behind because of the holiday at the beginning of the month. I don't have any experience with packages getting seized by customs but I was wondering if it were seized, if I would definitely receive a letter and approximately how long after my package was snatched up by customs? The letter contained two grams of k and I would at least hope it was somewhat concealed, considering this is a very reputable vendor on SR. I wasn't really worried about it though up until last night. I live in the US in a smaller town. Not too much criminal activity out here. My house is located on a dead end road so there is not much traffic or places to perch up inconspicuously. My road is shaped like a loose S with my house being on the bottom horizontal line of the S and neighbors yards surrounding me. Last night, I got kicked off the internet and went to reconnect. Looking at the available wireless networks, I noticed my neighbors secured networks but I saw a new one: FBI surveillance van #3 with "FAIR" signal strength. It's been around for most of the day. I've driven around my neighborhood, scanning for wireless networks to see where FBI SURVEILLANCE VAN registers but there are only a couple points where it pops up, primarily in front of my house and in front of my neighbor's house who has a backyard that's back to back with mine. I left the house three times since I've noticed it. The first two times were short trips. Each time I left, it was there but gone when I came back... only to pop up back on my wireless network scanner on my cell phone and laptop soon after I got back home. I'm super bugged out. I can't imagine why the FBI surveillance van would be on my block for any other reason besides my illegal activity. I've only received 3 SR packages at my residence since I started a month ago. I use my real name and my address of my house for the packages. I already am well aware that I should never sign for anything or accept a package if presented to you under these circumstances. I just don't know what to think. And I am expecting another package that's already in transit from the Netherlands. Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Don't worry Lizzy, the "fbi surveillance van" joke has been around for a few years. That's just your neighbor's sense of humor, I see about 1-4 of those Wifi titles wherever I go in my college town. If there was an FBI van following you around, they wouldn't be broadcasting a wifi spot with their name on it. :)
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1. Walk around neighborhood with cellular honing in on wifi.
2. Launch attacks on wifi.
3. Turn off your wifi.
4. Neighbor intercepted package, is having a grand time, and has changed wifi to fbi.
5. Fuck off troll.
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This thread is very insightful. Even though the OP posted this over a year ago. If I may chime in very late...The following should not be construed as legal advice...
Honestly even if a controlled letter were to come to your house, I on a normal basis receive certified letters return receipt requested. For service of process for civil court matters. If you refuse delivery, service of those papers are considered served. You may ask what does this have to do with the discussion at hand? In my case I own money judgments. There are a lot of times I won't know who it is from until I open the package. In my non legal opinion I think if your receive a package that you weren't expecting and you sign for it you should call your local bar association. Attorneys can put that into safe keeping legally..Almost like an evidence locker but with no name attached etc.
I don't see how signing for a package is an admission of guilt. It may cause a possible probable cause, but it would be all circumstantial. Anytime you get into an encounter with LE always plea the 5th. Don't lie to them that is a criminal offense. As other people said politely say that you are not going to answer any questions. This applies all the time. Even in a traffic stop in that situation the cop asks how fast you were going why put yourself in a position where you lie to a cop or you admit guilt to him? A cop asks where you are coming from -- you tell the cop where u were. What if a murder happened right in that area that somehow in a weird degree connected you to the victim? You are now a prime suspect in that crime. As said before a cop is allowed to do a quick frisk for weapons. Do not consent to a search. If a cop starts to dig into your pockets politely object and say officer I do not consent to a search of my body or vehicle. They will ask what do you have to hide, I personally tell the cop I know you have your job to do but I am doing my job of practicing my constitutional rights. And as stated before ask if you are under arrest or otherwise detained if the answer is anything but a confirmation that I am with either I tell the officer to have a good day and I leave. Now a days if cops have their lights on their attached mics on their body is on along with their dash cam.
I am sorry I went on a tangent there...but my point was do not sign anything admitting anything, keep your mouth shut, ask for an attorney. If the cops/feds or whomever do not lhave a warrant just tell them to please leave your property. If they don't, call an attorney. Sometimes they will have the county sheriff or the state police force them off the property with a trespass warning. Sometimes US Marshals will escort them off the property. Some attorneys will come to your house immediately upon the execution of a search warrant if you call them even if you never had a relationship with that attorney before in your life. Sometimes they will do this for free and count it toward their civic duty.
Sorry for going on some tangents there...and again please do not take what I say as legal advice. Instead, read your local and federal laws. And read the federal constitution and your state's constitution and your states published appellate decisions and published federal decisions that apply to your state.
This may be my first post but it seems from reading this thread there are people that don't know know their rights or are willing to give them up because LEs are allowed to lie and promise the world to get a confession. Don't give up your rights that our forefathers fought for. They are there to protect you...not the government.
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there was some good question ask here and some good information - but i think was missed chance to ask important Qs instead of ask a lot of useless Q to feel better about what ur doing.
things like; what "flagging" do they do - how is that stored / how long/ is it real time or for looking at later time, what kind of database... you understand maybe?
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For those too busy to read, in one post Ms. Reno states:
"... controlled delivery if they decide to make one. I was only present for a few of these ..."
and in a later one she states
"... I've never been taken on a controlled delivery so I can't ..."
For those unable to comprehend what they read, she was saying that she'd only been present at a few openings of packages, and present at no controlled deliveries.
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ok know you delete
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Are there certain drugs that k-9 can smell more than other drugs, also is getting my item shipped to a friends address safe?
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Are there certain drugs that k-9 can smell more than other drugs, also is getting my item shipped to a friends address safe?
We see evidence before that dogs are very sensitive to MDMA/safrole,etc.
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Watch out for the new USPS shipping warning. "Is there anything liquid, fragile, perishable, hazardous or otherwise dank in this package?"
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shit bro, what happened to this guy? feels bad man :(
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Watch out for the new USPS shipping warning. "Is there anything liquid, fragile, perishable, hazardous or otherwise dank in this package?"
WHAT DO YOU MEAN "new USPS shipping warning" I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING NEW OVER PAST 4 MONTHS HAVE YOU AND WHERE DID YOU HEAR OR READ THIS PLEASE ASS LINK TO INFORMATION YOU FOUND
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what happens to the mails from RED flagged country? eg. Colombia ???
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lol Hmmm.. 420 I think you missed the sarcasm in toranchula's post.....
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Is the OP still here? I'm not going into a dissertation if she's gone.
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Hello,
just wondering, what is the average time of delay that usps usually goes through to get mail and packages sent during the holiday season?
even more specifically if i ordered and it shipped on the 18th.
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Does sending a package DCN help or hurt delivery to a closed business address?
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hi there, i have had a total of 4 small shipments not arrive,all going to the same address, the first one that did not show was a few months ago,i then had a few arrive fine the last 3 have not,is it possable that the address has been flagged? Can you please addvise on this.
cheers.l
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Hello,
just wondering, what is the average time of delay that usps usually goes through to get mail and packages sent during the holiday season?
even more specifically if i ordered and it shipped on the 18th.
I have 2 orders from EU marked in transit 12/12 and 12/13 and have nothing yet. I am not worried because it is the holidays and they are in the EU.
You shouldn't be worried either. We can't say when you should expect it to come unless you have a tracking number (which I assume you don't.)
Just relax. It will arrive soon enough.
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So (from what I've gathered so far..) if I give my real address, name, etc. it shouldnt be a problem ordering (say an oz) to the east coast correct? using USPS of course. Also, me and one of my friends were talking about ordering some product to his farm farther out into the country(literally the boondocks haha), but reading this makes me wonder would that flag the package? Since he, or any of his family does not live out there, (they usually just visit on weekends or stay there for a week, etc.) would that cause an automatic flag?
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No it would not.. Normally A package itself is found and then your address becomes flagged.. It doesnt just become a Flagged address become its a vacation home or whatever. I would suggest use the real name to the address and nothing slick, useually The Mail people in the usa become familure with small town names and what mail goes in what box, I wouldnt suggest ordering a whole OZ your first order, Try something small to the address to make sure it will arrive and then order the bigger amount.. Im guessing your a Teen by your post so best advice is to read read read all the important stuff, make sure you ENCRYPT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN SENDING IT to the vendor u buy from..
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Hi all-
I just wanted to offer my knowledge and insight if you have any questions about how the Postal Inspectors operate. I was an intern with the Postal Inspectors for 9 months at an office in a major coastal city that processed very large volumes of mail, domestic and international (their offices were inside the actual Post Office downtown). I do not want to reveal the city but I'm happy to answer just about anything else. Feel free to pick my brain.
And no, I did not go into any law enforcement career.
Good to see someone from the inside here :)
do you know if once a package is seized what happens to the information (name and address) is it kept and flagged or destroyed along with the contents ? Sorry if this is a repeat question. Cheers.
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Hi all-
I just wanted to offer my knowledge and insight if you have any questions about how the Postal Inspectors operate. I was an intern with the Postal Inspectors for 9 months at an office in a major coastal city that processed very large volumes of mail, domestic and international (their offices were inside the actual Post Office downtown). I do not want to reveal the city but I'm happy to answer just about anything else. Feel free to pick my brain.
And no, I did not go into any law enforcement career.
Good to see someone from the inside here :)
do you know if once a package is seized what happens to the information (name and address) is it kept and flagged or destroyed along with the contents ? Sorry if this is a repeat question. Cheers.
Instant flag. ;) Have a friend who used to work at customs.
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Hey jnemonic! I thought you were busted or killed or something. (You went away.)
Do poisons have a better chance of slipping through? I'm assuming sniffer dogs are not trained to sniff out ricin or strychnine or cyanide for reasons that ought to be obvious. I am wanting to import from O/S some ricin (powder form) and strychnine seeds, not necessarily for nefarious purposes, I'm a good kid. Would I be silly for thinking there's less chance of it being held up than really common drugs?
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Hi all-
I just wanted to offer my knowledge and insight if you have any questions about how the Postal Inspectors operate. I was an intern with the Postal Inspectors for 9 months at an office in a major coastal city that processed very large volumes of mail, domestic and international (their offices were inside the actual Post Office downtown). I do not want to reveal the city but I'm happy to answer just about anything else. Feel free to pick my brain.
And no, I did not go into any law enforcement career.
Good to see someone from the inside here :)
do you know if once a package is seized what happens to the information (name and address) is it kept and flagged or destroyed along with the contents ? Sorry if this is a repeat question. Cheers.
Instant flag. ;) Have a friend who used to work at customs.
cheers for the reply. Not that i have any doubt in your answer but would you know how it is possible to use the same address and still have things arrive, when packages have been seized previously?
Also when it has been flagged is all mail that comes to that address checked? How does it work. :)
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If its flagged then all your packages would go through a secondary inspection.
Hey jnemonic! I thought you were busted or killed or something. (You went away.)
Do poisons have a better chance of slipping through? I'm assuming sniffer dogs are not trained to sniff out ricin or strychnine or cyanide for reasons that ought to be obvious. I am wanting to import from O/S some ricin (powder form) and strychnine seeds, not necessarily for nefarious purposes, I'm a good kid. Would I be silly for thinking there's less chance of it being held up than really common drugs?
Ha ha i wish i went away to someplace exotic...well that will happen nye. ;)
Regarding poisons, it wouldnt really matter, as long as the contents are concealed, sealed, etc they should get through fine...just depends how much of course..
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It may be flagged but i've heard from people who got several ll's and kept getting stuff sent to them. So if they do a secondary inspection on each package after that, it must not be a very good inspection.
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"If they decide to do a controlled delivery" If they find contraband what would prompt a controlled delivery and what would not?
Small, personal amounts of drugs were usually removed and sent to the drug vault, and the letter/package re-sealed and delivered to the recipient with a letter saying that the shipment was illegal and the contraband removed. This was also the case for any steroids. Quantity would prompt a controlled delivery. If you send a pound of cocaine in the mail and it gets intercepted, you're getting a controlled delivery.
would there be legal penalties with said letter?
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I think I've got a problem, so please help. I've had several small orders from a single vendor and its always taken 2 days to arrive in my locked mailbox. I sent a message to the vendor on my last order on the second day when it didn't arrive and he sent back the tracking number. It says they left a notice but that wasn't in my box either. If I go to the post office to pick this up, am I walking out of there in handcuffs?
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hey so I recently purchased some home baked candy with thc in it. Its not as strong as the brownies, but I was desperate and have a low tolerance for the stuff. Anyway, I finally got it and even though it arrived in my mailbox and no one came to my porch asking for a signature, I remember reading that sometimes if you're package gets seized (although mine arrived on time. If it arrives on time is it guaranteed to not have been seized?) they notify the police and wait a few days or maybe even a week until they think you've opened it by then. Then someone (maybe disguised as a postal service guy) come to your house and knocks on the door, police hide around the house or something, and when you open the door, they arrest you. Scary, I know. Plus this is my first buy on the road, which is why I went straight to the candy section. My candy has thc in it. If they found it somehow, and supposedly arrived at my house, can't I just say I didnt recognize the package or the person who sent it to me, so I threw it out? I mean what if the garbage guy already took the trash so its not like they can just look in there? I mean can't I just say I shredded it in the paper shredder or whatever? Cause that package my trusted vendor sent me looks too good to be true, and I'm worried I'm about to get jacked up my ass if I open that thing. Thoughts? Especially anything about the police coming after a few days and the idea of throwing it in the trash lie?
Mazzy
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I swear to god, the stupidity you can read here is mind blowing.
Your package looks TOO GOOD, so you think its a setup ?!?! LOL.
Police dont wait DAYS or a WEEK to come get ya, they come right then and your garbage man isnt gonna be in on the bust.
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well not to start a flame war "fred" but for a hero member you sure have lost your grips on the facts. You really think the police don't know that we depend on the signature man to confirm a successful delivery? Because I think you just contributed to the stupidity. Thats why they wait a few days in previous cases, when they think that the receiver has already opened the package, losing a big chunk deniability. Which is why I'm thinking if the situation happened to me that I would say I threw the thing out and dont open unfamiliar packages, when really, its locked up nice and tight somewhere safe. -1
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hey so I recently purchased some home baked candy with thc in it. Its not as strong as the brownies, but I was desperate and have a low tolerance for the stuff. Anyway, I finally got it and even though it arrived in my mailbox and no one came to my porch asking for a signature, I remember reading that sometimes if you're package gets seized (although mine arrived on time. If it arrives on time is it guaranteed to not have been seized?) they notify the police and wait a few days or maybe even a week until they think you've opened it by then. Then someone (maybe disguised as a postal service guy) come to your house and knocks on the door, police hide around the house or something, and when you open the door, they arrest you. Scary, I know. Plus this is my first buy on the road, which is why I went straight to the candy section. My candy has thc in it. If they found it somehow, and supposedly arrived at my house, can't I just say I didnt recognize the package or the person who sent it to me, so I threw it out? I mean what if the garbage guy already took the trash so its not like they can just look in there? I mean can't I just say I shredded it in the paper shredder or whatever? Cause that package my trusted vendor sent me looks too good to be true, and I'm worried I'm about to get jacked up my ass if I open that thing. Thoughts? Especially anything about the police coming after a few days and the idea of throwing it in the trash lie?
Mazzy
Im with fred on this, this is an extremely dumb comment. I hope you have finalized for your poor vendor. No wonder established vendors ask newbies to FE.
The police have real criminals to deal with and they are not waiting a few days to raid you for a few peices of THC candy. If they knew there were drugs in your package, they would try to work up the chain to find the person who sent the package. The police are looking to take out drug dealers, they are not intrested in you. You're being ultra paranoid.
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Well while you two high five each other I will say that this scenario was in the paper. A man had drugs in the mail, the cops were notified, and after three days they showed up at the house with a warrant and a pair of handcuffs. At this point package was opened, some of it was missing (had been used) and with that evidence of consent and interest/usage he was escorted out of there with the police. A noob isn't typing this, I'm sad to tell you. There's nothing wrong with being cautious and doing research before the first time ordering these kinds of things in the mail. I have nothing to persuade you of. If you wish to live your lives thinking you will always be under the radar that's your choice, keep relying on that one police tactic where you'll be asked for signature, its not like the police have come up with other tactics, thats just unheard of. by the way, got extra wasted by those lollipops. Every second I kept forgetting who I was where I was and which reality/dimension portal I was in. Is this normal for weed or do only edibles make you feel this way? If I smoke weed will I feel happy and still in tact with reality. Because I want to be in tact with reality, but still have the good effects.
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uh..
that went off topic fairly quick.
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Well while you two high five each other I will say that this scenario was in the paper. A man had drugs in the mail, the cops were notified, and after three days they showed up at the house with a warrant and a pair of handcuffs. At this point package was opened, some of it was missing (had been used) and with that evidence of consent and interest/usage he was escorted out of there with the police.
Which paper. Please provide details to the story because it sounds really fishy to me and I would like to read more if it is indeed true.
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So formal inspections service intern, if you were in both shoes. vedor and buyer, how would you go about doing it? and last, why is it former now, did you get promoted from interm? just curiouse. ty
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Very cool thread. My question was is it extremely likely for a small envelope sent from the netherlands to west USA to end up being seized.
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Glad someone listened Honeydoodoo but know I didn't intend on making people more paranoid or upset. I'm probably just being reluctantly cautious as I haven't seen anyone on forums talk about an incident where they got a visit from the feds after a few days. Sadly I cannot find the article I found this in, but I definitely recall reading about police visiting after a few days. It may have even been mentioned in that Gawker article that blasted publicly about the market. If I find it or come across it again and it looks like something we should be concerned about I will immediately post it on here and bring attention towards it on forums. For now, I would relax about that, hypocritical as it may be of me to be saying that after talking about it, I just don't think its necessary for everyone to freak out over something I'm not entirely sure said. There may not have been an actual historical incident where someone was visited after some days from delivery, but all I know is I came across something mentioning that idea as if the police would carry out that plan if they found the contents of the package. Here's what I advice you to do for anyone who is paranoid by this: stick to the trusted vendors with the most feedback and you should be fine. I was all along, of course those were just edibles. If it really bothers you, just wait no more than a week after delivery if you start being skeptical that you're in for a surprise visit.
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I am in aussie land, i recieved a card saying to pick up my post (1000 tabs) 4 days ago, (ive been away) which would mean i would have to go to the post office and sign for it..... ive read plenty of threads that say you shouldnt sign for a package, i was thinking to get my brother to pick it up so he could say he was getting it for me just in case? could he get in trouble? anyway i was wondering if anyone else has ordered from tyler in australia and if its normal to have it delivered via courier or whatever, considering it was a package, i have no idea the size if this package? yea so any input would be helpful.
ps. i may be paranoid but paranoid people have less chance of getting caught i do believe so :)
pps. sorry if this is incoherrent at all but i just got back and decided to test another product which arrived while i was gone :)
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rigolo.
first of all i would erase that last message. your giving out a little too much info on how you operate! i mean you gave your method up of how you send small orders, i would get rid of that! just my thought but i am sure many will agree. keep that in a pm to a trusted member
second as far as shipping large amounts. Well there are many ways. Some will split up orders only send so many per pack. some have other more stealth methods. My advice is you take it too a hero member/vendor who is in the same game as you and ask for some intell but good luck and watch what you post remember EVERYONE CAN READ IT!
MY BEST
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Assuming you're not going to take that post down, flatten the pills out so they're lined up in rows inside the bag and line the inside of the case with them. I would be able to fit that many in easily.
- JWM
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Know what I think? If you are a small buyer, say an ounce or two of pot. Or a handful of pills, I would think if found LE would send your package straight on to you. And start building a case from there. Watching what comes in your mail, following you to walk your dogs, tapping your phone. Maybe even watching you thru your webcam while you pick your nose and tor your way thru the threads. But, seriously is it not likely that they would say, what do we have here, then bait you on a hook until they have a few confirmed deliveries? I have yet to place my first order on sr, but the only plan of attack that I can think is foolproof is sending freebies to everyone in my city, therefor stretching LE to thin. That would work right? :0 < my not serious face.
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.....but the only plan of attack that I can think is foolproof is sending freebies to everyone in my city, therefor stretching LE to thin. That would work right? :0 < my not serious face.
God I wish! :D ≥ likely to hold all mail and search 1:1 if they had sufficient proof to warrant seizure. IOTO that the ≥ [Edit. lol, a rereading of your post makes me realise you are joking, okay yeah you got me pmsl ::) ]
Piece out. Drive safely. Eat plenty.
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I din not read all tread.
My question is basic: WHAT COUNTRY ARE YO TALKING ABOUT? USA?
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I got a damn card through door saying sender did not pay fees or something and I have to go to the mailing center and pay the fucking fees its clearly not a set up this has happened before with normal mail but still cant help but wonder!
and I have to pay too!!!
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I din not read all tread.
My question is basic: WHAT COUNTRY ARE YO TALKING ABOUT? USA?
From what I've read, CD's happen in US
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I know what time my Mail is delivered every day give or take 20min.. I go get my mail soon as the lady goes off from my box come in and is possible a domestic USPS priority box open it remove the drugs then close it back and write return to sender.
I never ever request for something i have to sign for, so if the mailman comes to my door then i know something is up. I know Both Mail Man and women that trade off routes so i would notice right off if it was someone new or weird..
Also This is a question, what would be the point in the DEA or whoever letting the drugs come to you, and then you take them and over time they build a case but have no proof or wernt caught with anything? I didnt understand that, Could you maybe go into more detail?
Also i got a pack from AUS today with a bright orange sticker saying ID RECORDED.. WTF does that mean? Off to google i go..
BTW TO THE POSTER ASKING ABOUT THE NL GETTING SEIZED
Iv got 2 letters from their in the form of a regular old card just with a goody inside, And im waiting on some Fent Now from there .After this week. My ordering is gonna go on hold for a bit.
Since late Nov til today iv had over 32 or more packages.. I do other oders and have for years from Listia,Ebay,electronics and stuff soo its nothing new for the mail increase its always been,but the mail from all over the world is the thing...
Wouldnt u guys agree?
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Great Thread!! Thanks alot Janet.
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Hey, I ordered an ounce of weed that was shipped last Wednesday morning and the DCN shows it as delivered today, but it definitely didn't come. Anyone have any advice on what I should do? Go to the post office with the DCN perhaps? Am I fucked?
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Hey, I ordered an ounce of weed that was shipped last Wednesday morning and the DCN shows it as delivered today, but it definitely didn't come. Anyone have any advice on what I should do? Go to the post office with the DCN perhaps? Am I fucked?
Check with the seller that the package was sent to the right address but for god's sake DO NOT go chasing the postal service for the package.
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If a package sent out is returned to an address that is valid, but the name is bogus, what happens to the package at that point?
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if a package was sent to me with 100 xanax pills and it got intercepted in the city of origin (the post office keeps calling my friend and leaving voicemails in his phone saying there is something wrong with the package and he needs to come pick it up), will my address be flagged? Does that mean i cant get any SR packages to my house?
This is a great thread, and I would like to throw advice your way sofish. Be weary and use your gut (the fact you are questioning it). If that was me, new address it would be. At least for a little while.
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Screening does not take place every day of the week by the inspectors, unless they have information that a large shipment is coming through. In that case, they will screen daily for sometimes days at a time. Most of the time I would be sitting at my desk and one of the inspectors would come by and tell me the dogs would be there in a couple of hours (most of these took place in the afternoon) for random screenings. I saw letters and parcels get picked up and presented to the dogs to see what they would alert on. I did not see dogs sniffing a conveyor belt and I don't believe that would be safe given the size of the machines moving the mail. The dogs would also be taken to the carts where the incoming international mail was waiting to be processed to see if any would cause the dogs to alert.
A very small percentage of the packages get checked, but there are some things that will flag your parcel for a closer look. Not everything gets x-rayed either- envelopes almost never do, unless they look unusually thick and appear to be personal rather than business communication. Larger hand-addressed packages are what I saw mostly in the xray. If a dog alerts on a package, that's going to be xrayed as well.
Your last question is harder for me to answer because once the package is alerted on by a dog and xrayed to confirm possible contraband, the inspectors get a warrant and go through a lengthy process of discreetly opening it (documenting it with video or still photos all the way) in such a way that will allow them to repackage it for a controlled delivery, if they decide to make one. I was only present for a few of those so I didn't see a lot of how the packages looked when they were first opened.
However, every several months the drug vault would get full and had to be emptied, and the drugs disposed of. This was called a drug burn because we would caravan up to the local dump in unmarked vans, and bring the drugs inside to the incinerator and throw them inside (had to observe them entering the actual fire). Many times the drugs were brought in their original packaging, so that is when I saw more of the internals. Seized packages tended to have a lot of drugs in them- I didn't see many small packages. There was almost always some masking agent, like big jars of peanut butter, a big teddy bear stuffed with drugs, and a lot of steroid packages that simply broke in transit and leaked all over the box. Any leaking or other staining on the outside of the package is a huge flag.
Triple vacuum sealing your packages is a good idea, but it is only a matter of time before the smell escapes even from that. I tossed many vacuum sealed bags of weed in the incinerator. The less time your package spends in the postal system, the better off you are.
Is 25gs and 50gs considered as large package ? What are the range of large packages ?
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Rereading this thread to pick up any missed into and I just wanna say something off topic. How the fuck does janetreno, tho OP only have +5 karma after dropping this all this knowledge on the forums? You ungrateful bastards!
P.S. yes I did +1 him!
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Hi all-
I just wanted to offer my knowledge and insight if you have any questions about how the Postal Inspectors operate. I was an intern with the Postal Inspectors for 9 months at an office in a major coastal city that processed very large volumes of mail, domestic and international (their offices were inside the actual Post Office downtown). I do not want to reveal the city but I'm happy to answer just about anything else. Feel free to pick my brain.
And no, I did not go into any law enforcement career.
Hi, great post thnx for all the help, do you know if LSD BLOTTERS are visible on scanners/X Ray Machines?
THNX agian
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OK,
So I ordered a gram of H from a west coast vendor, Something got fucked up and either myself or he messed up the zip-code on the package, we're still trying to figure out what happened.
ANYWAY, my package was sent from the west-coast, to the mid-west, and then back to the west-coast because of "insufficient address." I've called USPS trying to get the package back, but as of now it's at the dead-mail/Mail Recovery Center, and USPS says that I will have to go in to my local PO, give them address and phone information to file a claim to retrieve my package that's at the MRC.
HERE IS MY DILEMMA:
USPS says that the items at the MRC are "scanned to see if any items of value are inside, i.e. credit cards, checks, money orders." They are then opened to check if any information regarding the proper "to" address can be located. My question for you guys is: by scan does that mean they x-ray, and do they do this for *all* packages? And by opening, would they open envelope after envelope to get inside of a package?
this package was sent express, and the vendor noted that the packaging is as follows: "The stuff is inside another envelope with your name and address on it. Inside that env. it is wrapped in layers of paper so as to look/feel like a document of some type so it should pass basic inspection as just some paperwork. "
ANYONE, please help, with either advice or experience in recovering dead-mail packages. I'm assuming my package will pass a basic inspection, it looking like genuine paperwork. But an x-ray will clearly show a plastic baggie...
Thanks,
Pastrami
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I received a small pkge to my PO Box from an SR vendor sent from England. Im in USA. I was asked to sign for it as a matter of "new rules."
Is this true? Again, it's my PO Box, not my home address
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hey so I recently purchased some home baked candy with thc in it. Its not as strong as the brownies, but I was desperate and have a low tolerance for the stuff. Anyway, I finally got it and even though it arrived in my mailbox and no one came to my porch asking for a signature, I remember reading that sometimes if you're package gets seized (although mine arrived on time. If it arrives on time is it guaranteed to not have been seized?) they notify the police and wait a few days or maybe even a week until they think you've opened it by then. Then someone (maybe disguised as a postal service guy) come to your house and knocks on the door, police hide around the house or something, and when you open the door, they arrest you. Scary, I know. Plus this is my first buy on the road, which is why I went straight to the candy section. My candy has thc in it. If they found it somehow, and supposedly arrived at my house, can't I just say I didnt recognize the package or the person who sent it to me, so I threw it out? I mean what if the garbage guy already took the trash so its not like they can just look in there? I mean can't I just say I shredded it in the paper shredder or whatever? Cause that package my trusted vendor sent me looks too good to be true, and I'm worried I'm about to get jacked up my ass if I open that thing. Thoughts? Especially anything about the police coming after a few days and the idea of throwing it in the trash lie?
Mazzy
friend, try to remember that marijuana can bring out paranoia in some people.
im not saying this to be mean, but you are definitely giving yourself unnecessary stress.
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Thanks for the dedication and willingness Janetreno, will keep what you've had to say in mind. Cheers!
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Holly crap. This thread has been resurrected from like 2 years ago. I remember reading this when i first got on SR. Hope ppl know that the OP has not logged in since August 24, 2011.
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The information provided on this thread should be basic reading for everyone on SR. Thanks everybody!
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Very interesting thread - thanks to all of you!
One quick question - if sending a small amount of weed (up to 3.5g) - in a sealed bag (MBB or vacuumed at very least)...I tend to use jiffy padded envelopes. With a nice printed label naturally.
Would it be better to use a manila or white standard letter envelope instead? I ask as the product is fairly thin once vac'd and with a letter around it might be ok?
Any other useful options for clever stealth are appreciated :)
New Kid on Block...trying to give good service and be as careful as possible for my clients!!
Cheers
Doc
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i have a scenario, fictional of course.
a person moves into a new apartment/ house. after about a year of living there they notice that they are starting to get mail, collection letters for example, for the former resident. the person keeps writing Return to sender on the envelope and placing out for the postman, but the letters keep coming.
Does mail ever get re-routed to a person's address without a change of address form being in effect? If a person moves and the change of address runs out, the person at that address is responsible to return the mail to the postman by writing return to sender. but does THAT mail EVER get routed to the adressee's new address after the form runs out (mail marked with return to sender)? Change of address forms run out after i think six months.
I hope the question is not too scattered. thanks
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I don't have time to search through all the pages but i looked through the last 3-4 pages and didn't see the answer so if this has already been asked and it most likely has forgive me, basically does your address get blacklisted or flagged if your item gets seized? or is it just a myth?
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I believe Janetreno touched on this, check the first three pages.
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I dont know if he answered this or not, but is it true they check how often the package has been tracked and the more its been tracked it raises a red flag. I never really believed this just because i know when i have tracking for legit stuff i'm checking it constantly.
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I don't have time to search through all the pages but i looked through the last 3-4 pages and didn't see the answer so if this has already been asked and it most likely has forgive me, basically does your address get blacklisted or flagged if your item gets seized? or is it just a myth?
Good question HungryGorilla. Im curious as well.
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I don't have time to search through all the pages but i looked through the last 3-4 pages and didn't see the answer so if this has already been asked and it most likely has forgive me, basically does your address get blacklisted or flagged if your item gets seized? or is it just a myth?
Here you go! Indeed your address does get flagged for several months, but I read somewhere that it should be fine after about 6 months.
janetreno,
4) Are addresses (or people) watched after being suspected of receiving contraband items?
Thanks in advance.
4) Yes.
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General question, so if anyone could answer it that would be great!!
I have read the first couple (and last couple) and can't see an answer... so...
What quantity of marijuana would have to be seized to warrant any action more than a "love letter"?
For example would an Oz coming internationally into the UK simply be seized, a love letter sent to the residence and left at that? Or would any further action be taken with an Oz package?
Cheers
SC
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SamuraiChamploo,
From what I've read, it seems like there's no set guideline to what constitutes you receiving a love letter or a controlled delivery. It really depends on their mood that day and the cost of the necessary resources to set up a CD. Personally, I'd say getting a QP or above would get you a CD. The moment it becomes a quantity larger than for "personal use" is the defining characteristic, I'd say.
You should be fine with an ounce. And since it's just an ounce, you shouldn't have any worry for it to not pass customs by choosing your vendors wisely.
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How risky is it getting multiple letters from different countries around the same time in a semi small town?
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Is it common to find LSD and can dogs smell this? It seems that I have never had a problem without vacuum seals
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This is a rare situation but a actual situation that has happened.
If a change of address sends your package to the old residents, What kinda actions can take place from there?
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good info
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I have two questions.
1. Does it matter if a vendor sends his goods in a card, the envelope is not an envelope you would get with a birthday card but I was just wondering if the more stickly fingered postal workers are on the look our for cards. I ask as there is a vendor who uses cards. I will say not more as I do not want to ID them.
2. If a person has recently had a small amount of drugs stopped by the postal service, lets say a class A drug, Is that persons address now on a list so that other letters are beings watched. The reason I ask is that I I am thinking of reships - is it always best to change the previous address?
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Would an external envelope to a priority letter even be opened on an edge with a letter opener, have the internal envelope removed and opened, with the product from internal envelope (synth cannabis) in a vac seal bag left unopened, then repackaged into another envelope, external envelope opened another inch so new envelope would fit, and sent on its way, all by a PI?
If so, what type of envelope would they use?
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Not sure if this has been asked yet, but if an address has been flagged, like a private mailbox, Is it safe to assume that the name the box was registered to was flagged? That is to say, if you got a new box, would it need to be under a new, probably fake name and ID?
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I don't know for sure, but it's always better to get a PO box with a fake ID so your real name isn't associated with it if it is flagged.
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Thanks for this great post!
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If someone puts an address down correctly on a package, but missteps slightly on the zip code, is it likely that the package will still get to the proper destination eventually? Does it matter if the proper zip code is only one county over from the false one? Thanks!
~DFG~
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If someone puts an address down correctly on a package, but missteps slightly on the zip code, is it likely that the package will still get to the proper destination eventually? Does it matter if the proper zip code is only one county over from the false one? Thanks!
~DFG~
Someone I know accidentally used his home zip instead of the drop zip. Same city though and it arrived a day later than expected with the right zip on it. ha, last week though I got like 6 peoples mail in my box all from my neighborhood. Post Office fail. I sometimes wonder how many vendor /custy disputes really arise from shitty mailmen and neither ever knows.